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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
- To: Vadim Cherny <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org, "Dr. Joel M. Hoffman" <joel AT exc.com>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.
- Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:47:00 +0100
On 13/05/2005 08:35, Vadim Cherny wrote:
Russian verb prefixation is indeed an interesting example which is rather parallel to binyan formation in Hebrew. Many of the prefixes seem to have several different meanings. For example, вы- can indicate emphasis or perhaps more precisely achievement, but it can also indicate motion outwards, as in выйти "go out", and (with the reflexive suffix) exhaustiveness, as in высыпаться. Each prefixed verb is generally treated as a separate lexical item, and for good reason, because the meanings of the prefixed forms are not entirely predictable from the base verb and the prefix. But if one comes across a prefixed verb in a text, one can usually understand fairly well from the context what the meaning is. And I think a similar rule can be applied to Hebrew. On the other hand, it would be impossible to find "a fairly rigid rule", at least a simple one, to explain all of the derived meanings.flawed.These correlations might or might not be true, but the reasoning is
In this case, lacking evidence to the contrary, we should assume thatancient Hebrew follows
the same universal patterns that have been discovered in all modern
languages. And we do not find templatic morphology dictating
semantics.
How about Russian aspects, for starters?
Any difference of emphatic prefix вы- (выдавливать, выделывать) from piel?
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[b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, 05/11/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., C. Stirling Bartholomew, 05/11/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Vadim Cherny, 05/12/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, 05/12/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Vadim Cherny, 05/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Peter Kirk, 05/13/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., Vadim Cherny, 05/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Peter Kirk, 05/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Vadim Cherny, 05/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Dr. Joel M. Hoffman, 05/12/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
George Athas, 05/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Uri Hurwitz, 05/13/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., Yitzhak Sapir, 05/13/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., C. Stirling Bartholomew, 05/13/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Uri Hurwitz, 05/13/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., R . Lehmann, 05/11/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc.,
Karl Randolph, 05/11/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., Peter Kirk, 05/11/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., Karl Randolph, 05/11/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Piel etc., Karl Randolph, 05/11/2005
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