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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?
- From: "Vadim Cherny" <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?
- Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:30:22 +0300
> > I don't say it's impossible to use vowelless script for
> > multi-vowel language. Rather, it is implausible that
> > people who developed script omitted semantically
> > significant vowels. Who would deem acceptable
> > a script that does not unambiguously relate words?
>
> Some of it depends on what you mean by ambiguous. Is it ambiguous that
> in English "read" can be pronounced like "red" or like
> "reed," with a difference of tense between the two? Or that
> spoken /red/ can mean a color or a past-tense verb? Yes, in
> a sense, there is some ambiguity here, but as used in
> context, the ambiguity almost always disappears.
Right. Every script tolerates minor ambiguities. But quantity turns into
quality. Vowelless script contains too much ambiguity. It is syntactically
impossible to distinguish vowelless paal-piel or davar-haial-segholate.
When you write dffclt, the options are two. When you write Hebrew dvr, the
options are sixteen.
> You say that the vowels are the morphology in Hebrew, but
> clearly this is not entirely true. There are consonantal
> prefixes and suffixes for most verbal forms.
Yes and no. Even omitting the prefixes, vowels show the form.
In most cases, vowels are the only morphological instruments.
> You have brought up the distinction between Qal and Piel, but from
> working with Ugaritic, I can tell you that even from the
> remote perspective of a modern scholar, we can usually
> select the appropriate stem form.
How? I don't think that meaning of paal and piel so diverges that it could
be usually derived from context.
> The other problem with your analogy is that
> there is no case in which we're talking about someone
> sitting down and trying to construct a writing system from
> scratch. They started with logograms and progressed from
> there.
I'm not an expert on writing systems, but I didn't hear of any other
vowelless script. When Sumerians created cuneiform for developed multi-vowel
language, they resorted to syllabary. Why no equivalent stage in West
Semitic?
Vadim Cherny
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Dora Smith, 04/29/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Peter Kirk, 04/29/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/28/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Karl Randolph, 04/28/2005
- [b-hebrew] What piel stands for, Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
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RE: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Trevor Peterson, 04/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Peter Kirk, 04/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
- [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, FPutnam, 04/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Trevor Peterson, 04/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Vadim Cherny, 04/30/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/30/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Vadim Cherny, 04/30/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Karl Randolph, 04/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Vadim Cherny, 04/30/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/30/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Vadim Cherny, 04/30/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?,
Uri Hurwitz, 04/30/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/30/2005
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