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[b-hebrew] What piel stands for

From: "Vadim Cherny" <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
To: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>, "Hebrew" <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
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Subject: [b-hebrew] What piel stands for
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:36:29 +0300

In my opinion, there is no ambiguity whatsoever. Just think how piel
appeared. For millennia it was indistinguishable from paal. Who would use
indistinguishable grammatical form? I think, piel is the same old paal, but
pronounced forcefully to reflect the intense meaning.
This forceful pronunciation of paal created piel:

cathAv - cathAav (intonational accent) - caththAav - c'ththEv (I'm not sure
of English analogy, but this phonology is widespread in Russian: verb "go"
poshiol becomes p'shshiool in command) - c(i)tev

In other words, piel is not a real form, but command pronunciation of paal.

Vadim Cherny

> As for recognizing the difference between a Qal and Piel, I have yet to
see a well defined way that all can agree to to recognize it from the
context. It seems that even the top scholars disagree on what a Piel stands
for.

> Karl W. Randolph.

Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels? , (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Uri Hurwitz, 04/27/2005
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/27/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/28/2005
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Peter Kirk, 04/29/2005
      - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Dora Smith, 04/29/2005
        
        Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Peter Kirk, 04/29/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/28/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Karl Randolph, 04/28/2005
  - [b-hebrew] What piel stands for, Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
- RE: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/29/2005
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/29/2005
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Peter Kirk, 04/29/2005
- [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, FPutnam, 04/29/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/29/2005
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/30/2005
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/30/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Karl Randolph, 04/29/2005
  - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Vadim Cherny, 04/30/2005
    - Re: [b-hebrew] Why Semitic languages had no written vowels?, Trevor Peterson, 04/30/2005