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@Karl:

So you take this as a Niphal as opposed to a Piel??  --
Kelton Graham 
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> Chris: 
> 
> I read this with an unpointed text, so there is a bit of analysis needed to 
> glean a meaning of this formation. 
> 
> The Qal meaning of this verb, as far as I can tell, is to be clear, as in 
> clean, 
> considered innocent. The waw can also signal a contrast, translated in 
> English as “but”. 
> 
> I translate the section “but he who considers himself innocent he ( YHWH ) 
> will 
> not clear” or “but the one declaring his innocence ...” (functionally the 
> same basic idea). In this reading, I consider the passages indicating that 
> all 
> people are guilty before God, and when one considers himself innocent, 
> that is ipso facto evidence of his guilt (at the very least, pride which 
> God 
> hates). 
> 
> Karl W. Randolph. 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: wattswestmaas 
> > 
> > I am really having trouble understanding this construction. Comparisons 
> > with the three other scriptures where the first word (NaKeH) is used do 
> > not 
> > help me to feel my way through to a solution. the second word is not a 
> > problem (he will not be GUILTLESS) this is clear even to me. 
> > 
> > How can this first word be changed from its clear meaning of: 'guiltless, 
> > 'pure', 'clean' into "Guilty"??? What makes this more baffling is the 
> > fact 
> > that the modern hebrew definition of this biblical word (as given by 
> > evan-shoshan) is 'to purify, to cleanse, to purge' (TiHeR); and to 
> > acquit, 
> > to exonerate, to vindicate. (ZiCaR) and he lumps it with all the other 
> > Piels 
> > which express the expected meaning. 
> > 
> > I know that the answer is obvious to most of you on the board, but I 
> > could 
> > not even begin to figure out where in the grammar books to look up since 
> > I 
> > don't have the foggiest clue under what grammatical speciality this 
> > construction would be indexed or viewed. 
> > 
> > Thankyou, Chris, Ireland. 
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On Sat, 09 Apr 2005 21:12:56 -0500 "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
writes:
> George:
> 
> That prof mentioned Cyrus, but he was speaking in the context of 
> prophecies fulfilled during the Babylonian Exile and the return.
> 
> You mistranslated Isaiah 48:7, NBR)W is Niphal, referring to the new 
> actions that God reported beforehand so that people could recognize 
> that God had 
> truly spoken and that his profecies, which were so specific even to 
> the point of naming names, are to be trusted. Read also the 
> context.
> 
> Karl W. Randolph.
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You claim I mistranslated it so you must translate it and enlighten me. 
You can't simply make an unsupported claim an run away.

george
gfsomsel
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