Biblical Hebrew Forum

[George F Somsel <gfsomsel AT juno.com>]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 11:44:27 EST Myshalom777 AT aol.com writes:
In a message dated 02/04/2005 16:29:52 GMT Daylight Time,
gfsomsel AT juno.com writes:
Then, examine the nature of the sign.
1. A young woman is pregnant and is to give birth
2. She will give a particular name to her child (Immanuel)
3. BEFORE THE CHILD IS WEANED the Assyrians will no longer be a power.

The sequence in which prophesy is given as well as the prophesy itself
demand a nearly immediate fulfilment.
  
george
gfsomsel

George,

Who is your candidate for "Immanuel" ? 
Rabbinical Jewish interpretation has proposed Isaiah's son or Hezekiah. 
Neither interpretation works any better or is superior to the Jesus
interpretation.

For the Jews for Jesus take on the passage see  
http://www.jewsforjesus.org/publications/issues/9_1/promisedchild


Celal Berker
www.eefc.co.uk
www.fiec.org.uk
www.hristiyan.net


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I have no candidate since I refuse to speculate on the matter.  All that
is required is that there be such a child.  A determination of precisely
who it may have been is, in any case, beside the point.  The point is not
the child but that of which the child will be a sign.

george
gfsomsel
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On 02/04/2005 17:57, Myshalom777 AT aol.com wrote:

> ...
> Hello Peter,
>  
> I don't agree with you that NT authors understood Jesus in as 
> circumscribed a manner as you suggest -- the Messiah is the 
> representative of the House of David --and also much more according to 
> NT authors. I could refer you (at least) to Hebrews, and 1 & 2 Peter 
> in that regard.
>  

I quite agree (as an evangelical Christian) that to the NT authors Jesus 
was far more than the representative of the House of David. My point was 
that he is not less than this - that house had no other representative 
at that time, in their view. But this is getting beyond the scope for 
this list.

> There should be another post coming to list which is Bishop NT 
> Wright's take on the Mattean appropriation of the Isaianic passage. He 
> takes the canonical and theological approach to this passage which i 
> think is absolutely necessary.
>  

I have a lot of respect for Tom Wright and would be interested in what 
he has to say about this.

-- 
Peter Kirk
peter AT qaya.org (personal)
peterkirk AT qaya.org (work)
http://www.qaya.org/



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