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Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?
- From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
- To: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?
- Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:35:07 -0500
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vadim Cherny" <VadimCherny AT mail.ru>
> I would stop discussing this issue, ...
>
>
> Vadim Cherny
That would be a good idea.
You don't have to have the final word.
>From what I have seen of the language, I have come to the following
>conclusions:
1) the Masorites recorded their points to the Hebrew that they heard. They
didn't pull their points out of thin air.
2) Hebrew had ceased to be a spoken language at the hearth and in the market
for about a thousand years by the time the Masoretes came on the scene, but,
like Latin in western Europe, continued on as the language of official
records, scholarship and religion. Again like Latin, it was a sign of an
educated man that he could speak in Hebrew, no matter what the language he
was taught at his mother's knee.
3) there were regional differences in Hebrew pronunciation. These regional
differences show up in manuscript traditions of the New Testament as well:
the Byzantine family of mms appears to me to be slightly closer to the
Masoretic points than the Coptic family, which includes many of the oldest
surviving manuscripts -- the LXX reflects more the Coptic regional
pronunciation. In particular, the Coptic regional pronunciation had a greater
percentage of the begadkepat letters as fricatives.
4) that there were major changes in Hebrew pronunciation, much of which
happened by the time of the Maccabbees.
Finally, this mail list is dedicated to the study of Biblical Hebrew. In view
of the above, arguing fine points of Masoretic pronunciations won't help much
in the stated goal. Let Peter have the last word.
Karl W. Randolph.
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Peter Kirk, 02/11/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/13/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Peter Kirk, 02/14/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/14/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Peter Kirk, 02/15/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/15/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/16/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?,
Vadim Cherny, 02/10/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/11/2005
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- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Peter Kirk, 02/11/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?,
Yitzhak Sapir, 02/12/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Kirk Lowery, 02/12/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/13/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Yigal Levin, 02/14/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] Why assume the Masoretes recorded spoken Hebrew?, Vadim Cherny, 02/17/2005
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