Biblical Hebrew Forum

["Jonathan D. Safren" <yonsaf AT 012.net.il>]

I hope no one on the list is returning to the old and discredited idea that 
the Hebrew PN David is related to an assumed (and incorrect) Mari Akkadian 
da-wi-dum, a misreading of da-ab-dum, as in the expression dabdam idak.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Roberts" <formoria AT carolina.rr.com>
To: "Uri Hurwitz" <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
Cc: <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?


Uri,

Thanks for the timely reply. Given that so many characters' names in the
Hebrew Bible were fluid, changing to fit their mission or reputation, it
would not surprise me if such turned out to be the case in both David
AND Solomon's lives. "David" meaning "champion" and "Solomon" meaning
"peace" certainly sound to me like reputations or titles both had
acquired after certain events in their lives had transpired. It has the
appearance of seeming reasonable here, at least to this amateur.

Best Salaams,

Brian


On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 11:57  AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:

> Brian, we're shifting here to guessing games, e.g. that both are really 
> one person, or ,as someone cited, that David's name was not really David.
>
> The simplest way to understand this is that we are indeed dealing with two 
> individuals. Elhanan was remembered for the feat of slaying Goliath. Later 
> on, when more and more stories were added for the glorification of David, 
> Elhanan achievement was attributed to him.
>
> This would be a fine example of the reconstruction of important biblical 
> personalties. By that I do not mean to imply that such personalities did 
> not exist historically.
>
> Uri
>
> Brian Roberts <formoria AT carolina.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone seriously given attention to the possibility that David and
> El-hanan (both variously said to have slain Goliath) could be one and
> the same person? I've read online looking for papers, but I find nothing
> more probing than the assertion in the Encyclopedia Judaica that Elhanan
> was David's original name. This would seem to be a natural avenue to
> explore, given the ancient Hebrews' penchant for evolving names over
> time. In a cursory look, it could be argued that II Sam. 11:19
> represents the first recording of Elhanan, while I Chron. 20:5 is a
> later writer's attempt to understand the two stories and avoid
> confusion. Was "David" a title (champion) used elsewhere for others?) Is
> ja'are an error for ja'ir and are both errors for Jesse?
>
> yr[y ry[y r[y r[yy'y
>
> Best SAlaams,
>
> Brian Roberts
>
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