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- From: Brian Roberts <formoria AT carolina.rr.com>
- To: Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?
- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 08:39:06 -0500
Uri,
Thanks for the timely reply. Given that so many characters' names in the Hebrew Bible were fluid, changing to fit their mission or reputation, it would not surprise me if such turned out to be the case in both David AND Solomon's lives. "David" meaning "champion" and "Solomon" meaning "peace" certainly sound to me like reputations or titles both had acquired after certain events in their lives had transpired. It has the appearance of seeming reasonable here, at least to this amateur.
Best Salaams,
Brian
On Tuesday, January 25, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Uri Hurwitz wrote:
Brian, we're shifting here to guessing games, e.g. that both are really one person, or ,as someone cited, that David's name was not really David.
The simplest way to understand this is that we are indeed dealing with two individuals. Elhanan was remembered for the feat of slaying Goliath. Later on, when more and more stories were added for the glorification of David, Elhanan achievement was attributed to him.
This would be a fine example of the reconstruction of important biblical personalties. By that I do not mean to imply that such personalities did not exist historically.
Uri
Brian Roberts <formoria AT carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Has anyone seriously given attention to the possibility that David and
El-hanan (both variously said to have slain Goliath) could be one and
the same person? I've read online looking for papers, but I find nothing
more probing than the assertion in the Encyclopedia Judaica that Elhanan
was David's original name. This would seem to be a natural avenue to
explore, given the ancient Hebrews' penchant for evolving names over
time. In a cursory look, it could be argued that II Sam. 11:19
represents the first recording of Elhanan, while I Chron. 20:5 is a
later writer's attempt to understand the two stories and avoid
confusion. Was "David" a title (champion) used elsewhere for others?) Is
ja'are an error for ja'ir and are both errors for Jesse?
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Best SAlaams,
Brian Roberts
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Re: [b-hebrew] Neh. 4:17,
Karl Randolph, 01/25/2005
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RE: [b-hebrew] Neh. 4:17,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/25/2005
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[b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?,
Brian Roberts, 01/25/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?, Peter Kirk, 01/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?,
Uri Hurwitz, 01/25/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?,
Brian Roberts, 01/27/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?, Jonathan D. Safren, 01/27/2005
- Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?, Uri Hurwitz, 01/27/2005
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Re: [b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?,
Brian Roberts, 01/27/2005
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[b-hebrew] David or Elhanan?,
Brian Roberts, 01/25/2005
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RE: [b-hebrew] Neh. 4:17,
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