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- From: "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise"
- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:05:23 -0500
This lexeme is used in only three verses: Genesis 3:15, Psalm 139:11 and Job
9:17. This is a good word to ask our resident comparitive languages people,
what meanings does it have in Aramaic, Accadian, etc.?
Karl W. Randolph.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim West" <jwest AT highland.net>
>
> At 10:34 AM 12/22/2004, you wrote:
> > The word for "bruise", shûph, is translated in a different
> > way in other translations:
>
> I'm not at all sure what "shûph" is supposed to be. Is it
> some reference to Strongs or the like? If so, Strong's is not
> exactly the best source of information on hebrew and greek word
> meanings. Further, to base exegesis on it instead of the Hebrew
> text itself is sort of like eating your dinner after someone else
> has chewed it and spit it in your mouth.
>
>
> > "From now on, you and the woman will be enemies, and your
> > offspring and her offspring will be enemies. He will crush your
> > head, and you will strike his heel." (New Living Translation)
>
> A genuinely dreadful "translation". Its actually a paraphrase and
> about as useful as Strongs.
>
>
> > "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
> > thy seed and her seed; he shall crush thy head, and thou shalt
> > crush his heel." (Darby)
>
> This is just the KJV.
>
>
> > I'm not a native English speaker, but If I'm not wrong, there is
> > a big difference between "bruise" and "crush". Which is the real
> > meaning (or meanings) in Hebrew?
>
> The Hebrew word is "shuph" and means "to trample" or "to stomp".
> Now, like everyone, I've had my foot stepped on and a bruise left.
> It is not, then, a question of "either / or" here but rather
> "both / and". If you stomp on something hard enough you leave a
> bruise. "Crush" is a bit of an overstatement- but I suppose its
> possible because if you stomp on something hard enough to bruise it
> you might indeed crush it.
>
> Best
>
> Jim
>
>
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise"
, (continued)
-
Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Jim West, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", George F Somsel, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Heard, Christopher, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Karl Randolph, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Jim West, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/22/2004
-
Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Peter Kirk, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Jim West, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/22/2004
-
Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Jim West, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Jim West, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Karl Randolph, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Karl Randolph, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Karl Randolph, 12/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", George F Somsel, 12/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Karl Randolph, 12/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/23/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Karl Randolph, 12/24/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
George F Somsel, 12/24/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise", Peter Kirk, 12/24/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Genesis 3:15 "bruise",
Jim West, 12/22/2004
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