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- From: gfsomsel AT juno.com
- To: kwrandolph AT email.com
- Cc: b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org
- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/
- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:26:05 -0500
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:01:45 -0500 "Karl Randolph" <kwrandolph AT email.com>
writes:
> Peter:
>
> I am not a scholar of Greek language, New Testament nor NT textual
> criticism, never was, and so I leave the argument to those who are
> scholars. Harstad and his school claim that the "Coptic" (referring
> to Egypt, not language) rescension of Greek manuscripts is not the
> oldest line, and I, beyond reporting about it, will leave the
> discussion alone.
>
> However, I now think that the soft sounds of BGD KPT letters in
> Hebrew are a late development, not original. And to see that at
> least in the Byzantine tradition of NT manuscripts that some of the
> transcribed names had the hard sound where later Hebrew had soft
> gives some (weak) support to my theory. That the texts that Nestlé
> is based on have a later pronunciation could very well be a result
> that they were produced in a millieu where there were many Jews
> (e.g. Alexandria) who could keep the scribes up to date on the
> latest Hebrew pronunciations.
>
> The claim that the soft and hard sounds were original and peacefully
> coexisted over the millennia until the Masorites codified them with
> their points, does not match known patterns of language shift and
> development. (Don't anybody say that I claim that the Masorites
> invented anything other than the points themselves. They did not
> invent the pronunciations they codified.) Languages both lose and
> gain phones and phonemes, and I don't see that Hebrew should be an
> exception.
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
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Karl,
I don't know of a "Harstad", but there was a Farstad. His lobbying for
the Byz text hasn't found much acceptance in most circles of NT studies.
I wouldn't rely on him.
george
gfsomsel
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/
, (continued)
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, Peter Kirk, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, Karl Randolph, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, MarianneLuban, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, MarianneLuban, 11/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/,
Karl Randolph, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, Peter Kirk, 11/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/,
Karl Randolph, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, Peter Kirk, 11/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, gfsomsel, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, Karl Randolph, 11/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/,
gfsomsel, 11/17/2004
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[b-hebrew] Byzantine Text,
Kevin Riley, 11/17/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Byzantine Text,
Peter Kirk, 11/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Byzantine Text, Peter Kirk, 11/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Byzantine Text,
Peter Kirk, 11/18/2004
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[b-hebrew] Byzantine Text,
Kevin Riley, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, MarianneLuban, 11/17/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, gfsomsel, 11/18/2004
-
Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/,
Yitzhak Sapir, 11/19/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, Peter Kirk, 11/19/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Re: PS /g/, MarianneLuban, 11/19/2004
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