Biblical Hebrew Forum

[Uri Hurwitz <uhurwitz AT yahoo.com>]

Yigal Levin <leviny1 AT mail.biu.ac.il> wrote:


.....Phoenician certainly had Samekh.
Does anyone remember a case of Phoenician Sin (that is, of a Shin being used
for an /s/)?

Yigal


   Not off hand,( can't locate my KAI at the moment). 

   It it is interesting that there are are cases where the persumed 
proto-Semitic Sin becomes  a Shin in BH  -- compare  Shams in Arabic  to 
Shemesh .        

   Also, one should keep in mind that the original Tha did not have a special 
letter in Heb., and other NW Semitic dialects, and becomes a Shin in BH --  
compare Thaur in Arabic to Shor.

  Does anyone have a definite idea about the difference in original 
pronounciation between the Samekh and the Sin?

   Uri

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On 15/11/2004 01:32, Yigal Levin wrote:

> ...
>
>
>Any claim of direct Hebrew-Welsh influence would have to account for the how
>and when of Hebrew-speakers arriving in Wales (or Welsh in Israel?), and I
>don't really think that there is any evidence of that. Of course, once
>Christianity had arrived, than "Hebrew" words in the (Latin) Bible may have
>made their way into Welsh, like "behemoth" etc. into English. "Bethesda", of
>course, is not Hebrew per se, it's the Latin spelling of the Greek
>pronunciation of the Aramaic name Beth-Hisda. In Hebrew it would have been
>"Beth-Hessed" or "Beth Hahessed".
>
>  
>
I was of course making no such claim about Hebrew speakers in Wales or 
vice versa - although it is known that the Phoenicians visited nearby 
Cornwall. The Welsh language (of which I know very little) contains 
Christian terminology borrowed from Latin and Greek during the 
Romano-British period, e.g. eglwys "church" from Greek ekklesia, but I 
don't actually know of any loans from Hebrew. Names for churches like 
"Bethesda" and "Ebenezer" became popular in the 19th century I think.

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