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- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8
- Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:52:37 +0500
On 06/10/2004 02:37, Dave Washburn wrote:
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 15:17, C. Stirling Bartholomew wrote:Regardless of whether SV(O) clauses are in some sense basic or are the result of some fronting process (especially if this occurs at a level deeper than that for which we have any direct evidence), they are exceedingly rare as surface forms (without the copula). Therefore we need to ask ourselves in what special contexts they occur (for example, are they relatively common at the start of direct speech, as here?), and what marked function (which in principle I suppose could be the lack of any other marking) they perform. And we need to ask the same about clauses with explicit pronoun subjects - except that with these there is I think no doubt that they are the marked forms. Then perhaps we can find the intersection between the two special functions and so elucidate what is happening in this verse.
Judg. 6:8 wy$lx yhwh )y$ nby) )l-bny y&r)l wy)mr lhM kh-)mr yhwh )lhy y&r)l
)nky h(lyty )tkM mmcryM w)cy) )tkM mbyt (bdyM
The "clause" ... )nky h(lyty )tkM mmcryM ... looks exceedingly innocent to
the untrained eye, an explicit pronominal subject before a finite verb.
However, while working my way once again through "Fronting" R.Holmstedt*,
I came across a discussion of Judg. 6:8 in another place**.
What can we say about )nky ? Well using a somewhat lazy definition of
"focus" I would suggest that )nky points the reader to what is important
about the following clause. What is important is who did it. The preverbal
pronoun focuses the readers attention on the _who_ not the _what_. Without
this pronoun, the _what_ would fall into the new information slot. With the
preverbal pronoun, the new information slot moves.
The biggest problem I see with this idea is that, like so many others, he assumes that the basal constituent order in Hebrew is V - S, which may or may not be the case. Most of the grammars out there assume this order mainly because the wayyiqtol form is so prevalent in the HB, and this form is always clause-initial. But there is strong evidence that it is a "derived" form (for lack of a better term) that has in fact itself been "fronted," and the basal order in Heb. is S - V - (O). If this is the case, then we don't really have a pronoun being "fronted" here. Since this is the first clause in a section of direct speech, it would appear to me that it simply identifies the new speaker. Whether that puts emphasis on the "who" rather than the "what" is another issue, more involved with pragmatics than with syntax. Or so ISTM.
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Peter Kirk
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[b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Peter Kirk, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/05/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
David Kummerow, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Robert D. Holmstedt, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/08/2004
- [b-hebrew] knowledge of language versus language use (was Pronoun )nky in Judg 6:8), Robert Holmstedt, 10/09/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] knowledge of language versus language use (was Pronoun )nky in Judg 6:8), J. Raymond Kelley, 10/09/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Robert D. Holmstedt, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/05/2004
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