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- From: Dave Washburn <dwashbur AT nyx.net>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8
- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:33:15 -0600
On Tuesday 05 October 2004 19:18, C. Stirling Bartholomew wrote:
> On 10/5/04 2:37 PM, "Dave Washburn" <dwashbur AT nyx.net> wrote:
> > The biggest problem I see with this idea is that, like so many others, he
> > assumes that the basal constituent order in Hebrew is V - S, which may or
> > may not be the case.
>
> Agreed.
>
> > Most of the grammars out there assume this order mainly
> > because the wayyiqtol form is so prevalent in the HB, and this form is
> > always clause-initial. But there is strong evidence that it is a
> > "derived" form (for lack of a better term) that has in fact itself been
> > "fronted," and the basal order in Heb. is S - V - (O). If this is the
> > case, then we don't really have a pronoun being "fronted" here. Since
> > this is the first clause in a section of direct speech, it would appear
> > to me that it simply identifies the new speaker. Whether that puts
> > emphasis on the "who" rather than the "what" is another issue, more
> > involved with pragmatics than with syntax. Or so ISTM.
>
> So lets ignore the position of the pronoun and ask the question why do we
> see a pronoun at all? What is the function of the pronoun. I agree this has
> to do with issues other than syntax. "Focus" isn't a syntax issue.
And unfortunately, that puts it outside my area of real expertise. My
research rarely goes above the clause and/or clause-connector level. I can
spell "pragmatics," but that's about it :-)
--
Dave Washburn
http://www.nyx.net/~dwashbur
"No good. Hit on head." -Gronk
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[b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Peter Kirk, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/05/2004
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
David Kummerow, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/06/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
C. Stirling Bartholomew, 10/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8, Dave Washburn, 10/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Pronoun )nky in Judg. 6:8,
Dave Washburn, 10/05/2004
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