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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?
- From: Banyai AT t-online.de (Michael Banyai)
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- Subject: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?
- Date: 20 Sep 2004 07:09 GMT
Dear Peter,
we have several mentions of "idolatric golden calf" adoration in the bible
between Moses and Jerobeam but no attestation of an iconoclastic movement
till Jerobeam.
Since the Judahite iconoclasm is no movement developing isolated but gets its
counterpart in Israel, while both states holding to Jahwism, it is most
probable that similar to Judah who derived its rejection of idolatry from the
autority of a Jahweh oracle, Israel too brought a Jahweh oracle to support
their view of the cult.
Should this have happened, I can not imagine an alternative to this, would
such a Jahweh positive oracle, commanding the Israelites to make the initial
calf at Sinai have sounded: "now take down your (golden) rings and make me a
calf". Exactly what we see at the end of the Sinai calf story. So we can
assume that the Judahite text we posess is just reacting and argumentating
that only the interpretation of the oracle by the Israelites was wrong. Point.
The Northern kingdom had at least as good access to the Sinaitic tradition
even in its centers of "idolatric" cult like Dan, where the high priests
derived themselves from Gershom the son of Moses. And like between any
opposing clerics, like the Aaronites in Jerusalem and the Gershomites in Dan
the arguments where most derived from oracles pro or con, and from the
tradited law.
So what you are dealing with are ahistorical scenarios, made like this
judahite text might have developed in vacuum beyond theologic dispute.
That the bible is tendentiously calling the adepts of the (older?) Jahweh
cult in the mean-time typical for the north, Baal-priests should not mean we
have to take this serious. They were as Jahwists as their counterparts in
Judah in the way catolicism and protestantism are both belonging to the same
religion.
Best regards,
Bányai Michael
Stuttgart
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?
, (continued)
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/18/2004
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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Peter Kirk, 09/18/2004
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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Dave Washburn, 09/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/18/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Peter Kirk, 09/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/19/2004
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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/19/2004
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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/20/2004
- [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Michael Banyai, 09/21/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Peter Kirk, 09/21/2004
- [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Michael Banyai, 09/22/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Peter Kirk, 09/22/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/20/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Uri Hurwitz, 09/25/2004
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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/19/2004
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[b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Michael Banyai, 09/19/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Uri Hurwitz, 09/20/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/19/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/18/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?,
Peter Kirk, 09/22/2004
- [b-hebrew] The Golden Calf & the Hathor Cult of Sinai ?, Michael Banyai, 09/23/2004
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