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  • From: Sujata <shevaroys AT yahoo.com>
  • To: Hebrew <b-hebrew AT lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Isaiah 9:6
  • Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:10:03 -0700 (PDT)


Dear Karl,
Thank you so much for this beautiful translation.
Could you please tell me the hebrew phrase that you
translated to "Father of Time "

Thanks and God Bless,
Sujata
--- Karl Randolph <kwrandolph AT email.com> wrote:

> Sujata:
>
> This verse is not the easiest to translate, but here
> are a few random thoughts I have had on the subject.
>
> First of all, this is not a given name, rather
> “name” is used in its broader sense to include fame
> or recognition, i.e. what the person is like.
>
> >From the Masoritic pointing, we have a string of
> eight nouns, only the fourth one could be an
> adjective. There are other examples in Tanakh of
> strings of nouns (often proper nouns = names).
>
> A literal translation of each noun has: miracle,
> counsellor, God, hero (or mighty one), father, eon,
> prince, fullness (often translated as “peace”).
>
> I read this as two intersperced groups of three
> attributes: Miracle (supernatural), Counsellor
> (human), God (supernatural), Hero (human), Father of
> Time (supernatural), Prince of Fullness (human).
>
> Karl W. Randolph.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sujata <shevaroys AT yahoo.com>
>
> > In the JPS Bible, Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) 9:5(JPS) is
> > translated as
> >
> > For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto
> us;
> > and the government is upon his shoulder; and his
> name
> > is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom
> >
> > What is the literal translation of
> > Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom
> >
> > Thanks for the help.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Sujata
> --
>
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