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[Brian Roberts <formoria AT carolina.rr.com>]

George,

Sure, I would love to read it.


Brian


On Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 01:03  AM, George F. Somsel wrote:

> No, it's in English.  If I recall correctly, it was a series of lectures
> Wellhausen gave.
>
> gfsomsel
> ________
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:31:57 -0400 Brian Roberts
> <formoria AT carolina.rr.com> writes:
> > George,
> >
> > Is it written in German?
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, at 10:31  PM, George F. Somsel wrote:
> >
> > > If you are interested, I can send you Wellhausen's _Prolegomena_
> > in the
> > > Project Guttenberg edition.
> > >
> > > gfsomsel
> > > _________
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 22:06:26 -0400 Brian Roberts
> > > <formoria AT carolina.rr.com> writes:
> > > > Absolutely not all agree with the Documentary Hypothesis.
> > > >
> > > > I've always been puzzled by the identification by JEDP backers
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > book of Deuteronomy as the "book of the law" found in the temple
> > > > disrepair. It hinges such a tremendously significant portion of
> > an
> > > > already extremely hypothetical theory on an offhand remark in
> > the
> > > > account of Josiah's reforms. And it does so without providing
> > any
> > > > real
> > > > reason to make that leap. It's as though someone (Wellshausen or
> > > > whomever) saw the verse and theorized that this "book of the
> > law"
> > > > could
> > > > be the very book I'm reading. Well, yes it could, but let's see
> > how
> > > > he
> > > > got from hypothesis to conclusion without anything in between.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone offer any insight?
> > > >
> > > > Best Salaams,
> > > >
> > > > Brian Roberts
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, at 08:46  PM, George F. Somsel
> > wrote:
> > > > > Harold,
> > > > >
> > > > > At the risk of opening a can of worms, I think Peter and Uri
> > were
> > > > > referring to JEDP and the Documentary Hypothesis.  According to
> > > > this
> > > > > Deuteronomy was "found" in the temple and was the impetus for
> > the
> > > > > Josianic reforms.  It was, shall I say, an "occassional piece",
> > > > i.e.
> > > > > written for the occassion.  The histories were then written
> > upon
> > > > the
> > > > > program of Deuteronomy with the centralized sanctuary, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > What some say may not have been so that Uri referenced is that
> > not
> > > > all
> > > > > agree to the Documentary Hypothesis.
> > > > >
> > > > > As regards your "the Bible tells me so" approach --
> > > > >
> > > > > "Things are not always as they seem.
> > > > > Skim milk oft masquerades as cream."
> > > > >
> > > > > gfsomsel
> > > > > ________
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 19:26:18 -0500 "Harold R. Holmyard III"
> > > > > <hholmyard AT ont.com> writes:
> > > > > > Dear Uri,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What would some say may not have been so? Are
> > > > > > they saying that Deuteronomy was not written at
> > > > > > one time and place? The Book of Deuteronomy says
> > > > > > that it was.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Deut. 31:9 ¶ So Moses wrote down this law and
> > > > > > gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi, who
> > > > > > carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and
> > > > > > to all the elders of Israel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Are they saying that the other literature, much
> > > > > > of Joshua-Kings, was not written later? Scripture
> > > > > > is clear that the events occurred later than the
> > > > > > writing of the Deuteronomic law by Moses. So they
> > > > > > must have been written later. Are they saying
> > > > > > that these other books do not echo the language
> > > > > > and themes of Deuteronomy. This is a matter of
> > > > > > judgment to some degree, but certainly a good
> > > > > > argument can be made for the fact that they do.
> > > > > > For example, Moses warned about rebellion from
> > > > > > God and God's punishment, and that is exactly
> > > > > > what Judges shows.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >                                 Yours,
> > > > > >                                 Harold Holmyard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >   This may have been so, but, some would say,
> > > > > > > more likely not have been so. In short, sheer
> > > > > > > speculation, like much that has been speculated
> > > > > > > on this subject.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   Uri
> > > > > > > Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > the kind of model I have in mind is:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) Deuteronomy was written at one time and place.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) The other literature e.g. much of Joshua-Kings which so
> > > > clearly
> > > > > > > echoes the languages and themes of Deuteronomy was written at
> > a
> > > > > > later
> > > > > > > time, and potentially a different place, in imitation, either
> > > > > > deliberate
> > > > > > > or accidental, of Deuteronomy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Therefore, Michael's stylistic argument that Deuteronomy and
> > > > > > > Joshua-Kings were written at one time and place fails.
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