Biblical Hebrew Forum

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Dear Harold,

I cannot imagine any other name for your exercise than "wild speculation."

Whom else Ps107:39 refers to if not princes?
Where did you find the meaning of otzer as "coercive?"
Why me is instrumental, when its standard meaning is "from"?

>(2) "from [in the sense of "after," see BDB 581] 
arrest and judgment."<
Close enough. So you wouldn't defend the "oppression" reading? Good...
BTW, mishpat is not judgment, but the process of judging.

Sincerely,

Vadim Cherny


> >How about otzer?
> >
> >The translation of confinement (otzer, vs8) as oppression is 
> >unwarranted. The word is also translated thus in Psalm 107:39, which 
> >is clearly wrong in relation to the princes mentioned there.
> 
> HH: The princes are not even mentioned until the following verse, so 
> Ps 107:39 does not have to concern princes.
> 
> >  Rulers can be pressed (surrounded and wander in wastes) but not 
> >oppressed. In the only other instance, Proverbs 30:16, the same word 
> >refers to barren [womb], also a closed place, confinement. Because 
> >of (from) oppression he was taken is also meaningless, unless we 
> >assume he was taken from this world of oppression to the heavenly 
> >kingdom; but Isaiah does not profess resurrection. In the Tanach, 
> >taken [by God] is used only with Enoch and Elijah, and seems too 
> >high-flown considering the writer's attitude toward his subject. 
> >Further, this reading is not congruent with  his soul was exposed to 
> >death.
> 
> HH: A translation note from the NET Bible says this:
> 
> tn The precise meaning of this line is uncertain. The translation 
> above assumes that /m here has an instrumental sense, "by, through," 
> and understands otzer umishpat , "coercion and legal decision," as a 
> hendiadys meaning "coercive legal decision." Other interpretive 
> options include: (1) "without [for this sense of /m, see BDB 578] 
> hindrance and proper judicial process," i.e., "unfairly and with no 
> one to defend him," (2) "from [in the sense of "after," see BDB 581] 
> arrest and judgment."
> 
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
> 
> 
> 
> HH:
> 
> >
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Vadim Cherny
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