Biblical Hebrew Forum

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Perhaps, anyone would care to defend another verse:

you made his life an offering for sin

The usual translation of tasim as you made [his life an offering for sin] is 
grammatically implausible since the verb we translated as brought or laid is 
3f or 2m singular future tense. The soul (f.) bring something. To have 
something done to the soul, other translations presuppose a masculine 
personage, a man or the nation. In standard Hebrew, however, verbs with 
pronoun suffixes relate to a nearby nouns, not to a presupposed object.


Sincerely,

Vadim Cherny
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>
> >I have put my spirit upon him (certainly as a result of
> being the Messiah, the Anointed One, to enable him to carry
> out my purpose).< No, spirit was on the prophets without them
> being messiahs.
You're saying that Cyrus was not annointed and so didn't receive
the spirit???
>
> >He does not (need to) shout or raise his
> voice in the street.  He will not break a weak reed nor
> extinguish a flickering flame (he will not oppress the
> weak).< Possible reading. We just disagree with you on how
> plausible it is.
OK

>
> > > > , in 48:14ff, in 49
> > > > obviously not in vs.3,4?
> > > I omit "Israel" in 3.
> > Omit it also from the discussion with Abram, and you would  get
> >Persians a chosen nation Israel was formed to bring Israel back to
> >YHWH? (vs 5)?
> I would say that 5-7 is an insert. When spotting
> interpolation, we should look for the purpose. No purpose in
> inserting Israel in vs.3.
Certainly there is.
A later editor saw Israel as the servant, that's all.
>
> >Guilt is not a precondition of responsibility.
> >I'm responsible if my children damage something.
> Only if you are guilty of negligence.
I'm responsible anyway.

Best,
Liz
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vadim
>