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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts
- From: Peter Kirk <peterkirk AT qaya.org>
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- Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts
- Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 04:01:20 -0800
On 05/03/2004 23:52, Philip Engmann wrote:
Indeed - fragments or "scraps" as I mentioned before. Nothing to compare with the complete scrolls of biblical books in Hebrew found at Qumran.3. The Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) are discovered manuscripts from
Qumran, which date from around 168 BC to about 68 AD.[4]
4. So LXX is older than the DSS by about 100 years.
Date of oldest MSS: Large parts of the Hebrew Bible are preserved in the
DSS. Only a few scraps of the LXX are preserved; the earliest MSS of
substantial parts of the LXX are 4th-5th centuries CE if I remember rightly.
So the Hebrew text clearly wins on both comparisons of age, for what
it's worth.
The oldest witnesses to the LXX include a 2nd century BC fragments of Leviticus and Deuteronomy (Rahlfs nos. 801, 819, and 957), and 1st century BC fragments of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, and the Minor Prophets (Rahlfs nos. 802, 803, 805, 848, 942, and 943).
http://www.fact-index.com/s/se/septuagint.html
I don't deny that LXX scrolls of complete books did exist in the last centuries BCE, and it is accidental that only fragments have been preserved. Hebrew scrolls of complete books also existed, and by accident have been better preserved. The point here is not priority but quality of evidence. I have already answered the question of priority by arguing that an original always has priority over a translation.
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[b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Philip Engmann, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Peter Kirk, 03/04/2004
- [b-hebrew] Difference between the DATE OF PRODUCTION of a MSS and the DATE OF THE OLDEST SURVIVING MSS of the same text? i.e. 4QDeutq, Philip Engmann, 03/05/2004
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RE: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Philip Engmann, 03/06/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts, Peter Kirk, 03/06/2004
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- [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts, David Kimbrough (CLWA), 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Harold R. Holmyard III, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Moshe Shulman, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
CS Bartholomew, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Moshe Shulman, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
CS Bartholomew, 03/05/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts, Moshe Shulman, 03/08/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
CS Bartholomew, 03/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Moshe Shulman, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
CS Bartholomew, 03/04/2004
- RE: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts, Philip Engmann, 03/05/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Moshe Shulman, 03/04/2004
- Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts, Polycarp66, 03/04/2004
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Re: [b-hebrew] Relative ages of LXX, DSS and proto-MT texts,
Peter Kirk, 03/04/2004
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