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- From: "Peter Kirk" <Peter_Kirk AT sil.org>
- To: "'Jonathan D. Safren'" <yon_saf AT bezeqint.net>, "'Biblical Hebrew'" <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>
- Subject: RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..
- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:04:06 -0000
Title: Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..
Jonathan, I agree that critical research on the biblical texts is desirable. But it is also very difficult, because everyone comes with their own presuppositions.
But you really cannot claim that Wellhausen succeeded in not introducing his “own religious belief system”. What do you think his belief system was? Do you think he was an orthodox Christian just because he had (I assume) been baptised as a Christian? No, his belief system, whether or not you call it “religious”, was based around popular 19th century ideas of evolution and the inevitable progress of man from savagery to perfection – ideas the fallacy of which were rudely exposed in 1914-18 and again in the Holocaust. His belief system is dead, or nearly so, but for some reason his theories which are so dependent on it still live on, even in your argument from “the development of Israelite religion” that the Torah must depend on Hammurapi rather than vice versa because it is more “developed”.
Peter Kirk
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Dear Rolf, You write:
[Rolf] in scientific research "God" as a *factor* must a priori be excluded. We cannot seek recourse in something metaphysical ("God") if we are doing scientific research. The problem, however, is that we research documents that not only speak about God, but where several authors explicitly say that they were inspired by God. So how can we do an intelligent research on documents that are claimed to be rooted in something that we a priori exclude?
[JDS] Nothing is or should be excluded from scientific research. I realize that many, if not most, people have an emotional problem doing research into the God they believe in. But, first of all the study of ancient Israelite religion need not concern the validity or invalidity of this or that belief system (that would be engaging in religious polemics), but the phenomenology or historical development of Israelite religion and its belief in God, I realize that this is difficult for most people, even scholars to do,
without introducing one’s own religious belief system (witness
Wellhausen!), but this is what must be done. Otherwise, it would be like not
investigating whether the earth was round because it interferes with
established belief. Moreover, I have known Orthodox Jewish scholars who have
had no problem with critical scholarship (for example my own teachers
Loewenstamm and Seeligmann); others did and do: At Bar Ilan University in Secondly, why should shamanism, Buddhism, totemism, animism, Canaanite, Babylonian and Ugaritic religions and their gods be investigated while the Israelite God remains immune?
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[JDS] Most definitely. And this should be explained in terms of the
development of Israelite religion. First of all, the various “law
codes” of the Torah function as stipulations in the Divine suzerainty
treaty with And, according to Weinfeld, this also explains the presence of apodictic formulation, entirely absent in the ANE law codes, but quite conspicuous in the suzerainty treaties (which also include casuistic formulations). The fact that the Torah was later understood, both in Judaism and Christianity, as the “Law”, helped obscure the original nature of the laws; but Rashi, citing R. Yitzhak, pointed this out already in his 11th century commentary to Gen. 1:1.
Whew! Rolf, for me this has been an exceedingly long discourse, and I think I’ll end it here. Sincerely, Jonathan Jonathan D. Safren Dept. of Biblical Studies You are currently subscribed to b-hebrew as: [Peter_Kirk AT sil.org] To unsubscribe, forward this message to $subst('Email.Unsub') To subscribe, send an email to join-b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu. |
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RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..
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- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/24/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Jonathan D. Safren, 01/24/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Rolf Furuli, 01/25/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/25/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Jonathan D. Safren, 01/26/2002
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Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..,
Jonathan D. Safren, 01/26/2002
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RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/26/2002
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Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..,
Jonathan D. Safren, 01/26/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/27/2002
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Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..,
Jonathan D. Safren, 01/26/2002
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RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..,
Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/26/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Rolf Furuli, 01/26/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Peter Kirk, 01/26/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Glenn Blank, 01/26/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/26/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Jonathan D. Safren, 01/27/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Jonathan D. Safren, 01/27/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Bearpecs, 01/27/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Lisbeth S. Fried, 01/27/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Peter Kirk, 01/27/2002
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Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic..,
Jonathan D. Safren, 01/27/2002
- RE: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Peter Kirk, 01/27/2002
- Re: Monotheism was: "admittedly syncretistic.., Rolf Furuli, 01/27/2002
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