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- From: "Peter Kirk"<peter_kirk AT sil.org>
- To: <b-hebrew AT franklin.oit.unc.edu>, <yonsaf AT beitberl.ac.il>
- Subject: Re[4]: Ethics of our Profession
- Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 00:02:45 -0500
Dear Jonathan,
Thank you for your careful review of the evidence. But I do not accept
that your interpretation is the only possible one. You write: "In this
matter I agree with the Welhhausenian School", and it is perhaps this
school which has led you to presuppose that Israelite religion was
simpler and less organised in earlier periods than later, when in fact
this does not (if I remember rightly) accord with the picture
elsewhere in the ancient Near East. In the 21st century we should not
be relying on 19th century speculative schools and ignoring the
results of 20th century archaeology.
I would suggest an alternative line of approach which equally well
explains the evidence. The original Israelite religion, as promulgated
at Sinai, made a clear distinction between the priests, of the one
particular line of Aaron, and the Levites who were a wider group of
(perhaps) ethnic origin. This distinction broke down during the
chaotic period of the Judges, leading to such aberrations as a Levite
being appointed priest at Dan, and perhaps even of a non-Levite Samuel
becoming involved in priestly duties. Records of the original system
remained, but were largely ignored for many centuries until they were
rediscovered in Josiah's time. At that point an attempt was made to
restructure the cultus according to those ancient rules (in much the
same way as some modern Christian groups seek to reconstruct the
church on a New Testament model, rejecting nearly two millennia of
development and, in some eyes, decline - there are surely modern
Jewish groups with the same sort of agenda).
I doubt if I can prove that my suggestion is better than yours. But it
is at least a rational and viable suggestion, and as such it
invalidated your "a distinction which could not have arisen before the
Josianic Reform of 621".
Peter Kirk
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Subject: Re[3]: Ethics of our Profession
Author: <yonsaf AT beitberl.ac.il> at Internet
Date: 16/02/2000 10:31
Dear Peter,
The books of Judges, Samuel and Kings do not make any distinjction between
Priests and Levites. In Jud. 17, an itinerant Levite looking for a job finds
one at Micah's private shrine, and lated becomes the founderof the priestly
house at Dan. All Priests are Levites and all Levites can be Priests.
This situation is reflected in the writings of the First Temple Prophets,
who frequently mention priests, but never Levites.
(At the very earliest stage, a Levite seems to be merely a professional
class and not a tribe. The Levite of Jud. 17, for example, is "from the
clans of Judah", Samuel, and Ephraimite, becomes an apperentice at the
Shiloh shrine, and later officiates as a priest. For the author of
Chronicles, which was written after the appearance of the Torah, this is
intolerable, and so he invents a Levitical genealogy for Samuel)
The Josianic Reform puts all the non-Zadokite (Jerusalemite) priests out of
work. Though, according to 2 Kings 23, they are all brought to Jerusalem and
"eat bread" along with the Jerusalem priests, they become indigent in many
cases. This is reflected in the laws of Deuteronomy including the Levites
along with the widows an orphans as the poor, and other Deuteronomic laws
providing economically especially for the Levites.
Ezekiel 44-45 writes that only the Zadokite priests of Jerusalem may offer
sacrifices; the other Levites may not. As a former priest in the Temple of
Jerusalem himself, he is loking out for the vested interests of his own.
Those who served at other shrines may not officiate as priests in Jerusalem.
The distinction made between priests and Levites in the Priestly material of
the Pentateuch relfects this historical process and stands at the end of it.
In this matter I agree with the Welhhausenian School, though other material
in P is of First Temple origin, demonstrably so in the case of the Priestly
Blessing).
Sincerely, Jonathan D. Safren
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From: Peter Kirk [mailto:peter_kirk AT sil.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 11:12 PM
To: Biblical Hebrew
Subject: Re[2]: Ethics of our Profession
Dear Jonathan,
You wrote: "a distinction which could not have arisen before the
Josianic Reform of 621".
Why?
Please give arguments not from silence. Also bear in mind that there
is no a priori reason to assume that the surviving accounts of the
Josianic reform are more reliable than those of the giving of the
Pentateuch.
Peter Kirk
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RE: Ethics of our Profession
, (continued)
- RE: Ethics of our Profession, Niels Peter Lemche, 02/13/2000
- Re: Ethics of our Profession, Ian Hutchesson, 02/13/2000
- Re[2]: Ethics of our Profession, Jonathan Bailey, 02/13/2000
- Re[2]: Ethics of our Profession, Ian Hutchesson, 02/13/2000
- Re: Ethics of our Profession, kdlitwak, 02/13/2000
- SV: Ethics of our Profession, Thomas L. Thompson, 02/14/2000
- RE: Ethics of our Profession, éåðúï ñôøï, 02/14/2000
- SV: Ethics of our Profession, Niels Peter Lemche, 02/14/2000
- Re[2]: Ethics of our Profession, Peter Kirk, 02/15/2000
- RE: Re[2]: Ethics of our Profession, Jonathan D. Safren, 02/16/2000
- Re[4]: Ethics of our Profession, Peter Kirk, 02/17/2000
- Re: Re[4]: Ethics of our Profession, Banyai Michael, 02/17/2000
- RE: Re[4]: Ethics of our Profession, Jonathan D. Safren, 02/17/2000
- Re[6]: Ethics of our Profession, Peter Kirk, 02/17/2000
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