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  • From: fredbaud AT
  • To: "WikiWorld" <wikiworld AT>
  • Subject: Re: [Wiki World] Let's open the list :)
  • Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:19:39 +0000

Wikipedia's mailing lists used to be much more friendly and useful. Now, more than half the post are by clueless folks who just want to argue. Only a few people from the old days still monitor the lists and I regularly delete entire topics and most posts by certain editors.

The lists are unmoderated and there is a lot of low level noise not directed towards moving the project forward. I don't know any way we can recreate the old days which it was all new, shiny and fresh.


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marc Riddell [mailto:michaeldavid86 AT]
>Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:43 AM
>To: 'WikiWorld'
>Subject: Re: [Wiki World] Let's open the list :)
>on 8/31/07 9:44 AM, Brianna Laugher at brianna.laugher AT wrote:
>> So as far as I see it this list can have a few purposes...
>> - tech discussion about different wiki engines, different ways they
>> implement things
>Being the computer-challenged person that I am, I'm going to depend on the
>rest of you to mentor me through that part.
>> - social discussion about different practices of managing communities
>> (how to put the B in BDFL)
>Here, you're talking my language! I am very interested in the cultural
>aspects of a wiki community. Most especially, how persons relate to - and
>communicate with - each other.
>My only experience with the wiki medium is with Wikipedia; namely its Talk
>Pages and Mailing List (Wikien-l). In them I find a great deal of hostility,
>miscommunication, defensiveness, bullying, and a tone I can only describe as
>mean. As a result, many persons with something important to say, but without
>the skills to combat the noise, are being intimidated - and are not being
>To present to this problem, I have formed some very basic ideas about
>something I am calling (to myself, right now) a "communication sandbox".
>This would be a site or list, or whatever, where persons could go to
>practice and sharpen their communication skills. The subjects could be
>anything from social and political issues, to their own experiences with
>communication. This list (or whatever) would be monitored by empathic
>persons with good interpersonal and communication skills of their own, who
>would offer advice and counseling on how the participants could better get
>their messages across, what to avoid, and how to deal with personal attacks
>and other intimidating behaviors. The List would not be archived.
>As you can see, most of this is me thinking out loud right now. I would love
>some feedback.
>Glad to be a part of this,
>Marc Riddell
>wikiworld mailing list
>wikiworld AT

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