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  • From: Dufflebunk <dufflebunk AT dufflebunk.homeip.net>
  • To: Ryan Abrams <ryan.abrams AT attbi.com>
  • Cc: Andrew Stitt <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>, sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire]CVS or Perforce
  • Date: 06 Aug 2002 17:22:22 -0400

Or, in a nutshell, "Can't we all just get along?"

On Tue, 2002-08-06 at 17:22, Ryan Abrams wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I know your response is intended in sarcasm, but...
>
> We ARE a distro that aims to be 100% free.. or as close as possible.
>
> Now I don't consider myself to have the right to tell others what to use..
> and if people want to use p4, thats fine. But Julian is right that we need
> to offer a way for people to be equal if they choose to take the time to
> learn the free software version.
>
> Basically, we need to offer our users AND developers the ability to stay
> 100% free. If that means dropping perforce, ok. But I think a two way sync
> would be fine by me. As soon as that is setup, we will script the grimoire
> pull from the cvs, which will be the "official" repository (as it looks
> better. But that doesnt mean the p4 server can't continue to be used and
> synced, if people prefer it.
>
> This whole "best tool" vs "free tool" thing can get emotional. Lets try to
> avoid that, and recognize that both sides are right (its purely a value
> judgement) - and lets do something that makes it possible for both sides to
> work together.
>
> -Ryan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Stitt" <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>
> To: "Source Mage Grimoire" <sm-grimoire AT lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 4:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [SM-Grimoire]CVS or Perforce
>
>
> > On Tue, Aug 06, 2002 at 10:34:10PM +0200, Julian v. Bock wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > >>>>> "AS" == Andrew Stitt <afrayedknot AT thefrayedknot.armory.com>
> writes:
> > >
> > > AS> That also gives us
> > > AS> a huge advantage towards the p4 vs cvs debate because then each
> > > AS> section, according to the official maintainer, can be either p4 or
> > > AS> cvs, and anyone wishing to work on that section must use the
> > > AS> maintainers choice.
> > >
> > > Nobody who wants to contribute (help the maintainer; do the work while
> > > the maintainer is on vacation; etc.) should be forced to use unfree
> > > software (p4).
> > >
> > <sarcastic response>
> > if thats the game you want to play, then no one should be forced to learn
> > an overcomplicated SCM system that has way more features then we ever
> > need, but still cant delete directories without the admin's permissions,
> > which if i need remind anyone is a central part of our grimoire, we arent
> > a software program that has a few predifined directories for source code,
> > each spell is a seperate directory.
> > </sarcastic response>
> >
> > It also worth noting that i have no qualms (in reality) about what SCM we
> > use, fuck perforce if you want to, use something other then cvs or
> > perforce if you want, i could care less. Go with some other submission
> > process, hell, we can use submit from my universities servers for all
> > that matters!
> >
> > My point is, we can just dispel all this crap about how if
> > A works on B's section, but B uses perforce and A uses CVS they wont see
> > each other's changes <rant> because trying to maintain the same files
> > with two different SCM's at the same time is just fucking stupid!</rant>
> > The realistic solution to this is to not try and keep using both cvs and
> > p4 on the same stuff at the same time, its just not gonna work.
> >
> > That said if you REALLY have a problem with using SCM foo because its
> > bar then just email the maintainer what you've done, or we can switch
> > it over to something else the substitute maintainers are more comfortable
> > with while they are on vacation or something.
> >
> > The way this whole issue is going now is "we need to have just one scm
> > because using two on the same project is just fucking stupid", if you get
> > stuck in that mindset then either all the perforce people are going to
> > get annoyed at having to use cvs, or all the cvs people (like you) are
> > going to gripe about having to use perforce, at least this way we get a
> > greater amount of freedom, but the grimoire isnt a nightmare to maintain.
> >
> > unless of course we can find some way of keeping cvs and perforce
> > completely in sync with each other, and get past all the differences
> > between them and everything else, then by all means, use both, but thats
> > not where my money is going right now.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
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