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[Jaka Kranjc <smgl AT lynxlynx.info>]

On Friday 29 of August 2008 05:09:04 Eric Sandall wrote:
> Jaka Kranjc <jakakranjc AT email.si> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 27 of August 2008 20:40:05 Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote:
> > > After that -modular should soak in test for a month so that devs
> > > can get painfully familiar with it and how to transition to it
> > > safely from monolithic xorg. Then the normal stable-rc -> stable
> > > way to go.
> >
> > Is this really needed? Has anyone not transitioned yet? AFAIK the
> > xorg spell in stable doesn't work (we even stopped reverting
> > freetype2 in stable-rc), so even if xorg-modular isn't polished yet,
> > it may be a good idea to include it anyway. I imagine most users want
> > a recent version and the stuff currently on the wiki is pretty scary.
>
> I fixed that bug months ago and xorg works in stable, that's why we
> stopped reverting freetype2. ;) It would still be a good idea to let
> xorg-modular soak in test for a bit since this is a big merge and
> things may not go as planned. I am sure some still have not upgraded,
> and this forced upgrade is sure to show bugs, which I hope people file.
It works? I've heard many IRC complaints of the opposite, even without 
playing 
with hosts.def.

> > > Unless you have the spell on hold it will trigger a cast of
> > > xorg-profile which will in turn install xorg-server, xorg-libs and
> > > various drivers. The driver query will happen twice once from
> > > xorg-profile and again from xorg-server. The one in xorg-server is
> > > atm a noop and the profile won't exists for much longer once it
> > > hits stable, it's only a transitional tool.
> >
> > It is only a noop for users of stable sorcery. And I question the
> > need for the xorg-profile spell if it will be so short-lived. It is
> > meant as a transitional tool, but how will new installs, new users
> > get a good xorg set up? In my opinion we should just deprecate the
> > old providers of X11-SERVER in favour of xorg-server directly. As far
> > as those that wouldn't get the benefits of suggest_depends, we could
> > just add a FINAL explaining you do probably need a keyboard and mouse
> > driver and how to get them. I don't see a point in making a
> > difference between new installs and switch-overs and only supporting
> > the latter for a short while (we don't know when the switches will
> > stop happening).
> >
> > The new stable sorcery should be out soon too, but don't let that
> > stall things.
> >
> > LP
>
> I like -profile packages, others don't. I like not having to know each
> specific GNOME or KDE package to get a "normal" GNOME or KDE install.
> Therefore I like the xorg-profile (since I wrote it I'm a bit
> biased ;)) for installing X without having to know, in advance, what
> available drivers are, or that I even need to remember to specifically
> install a driver.
We can still have a profile spell separately - just not use it for the 
switchover. With suggest_depends we can make xorg-server like a profile spell 
itself. And there wouldn't be any need to remove that functionality or change 
it (like it is suggested with the profile one). And now all sorcery branches 
support that. :)

LP
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