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[Paul Mahon <dufflebunk AT dufflebunk.homeip.net>]

It uses an actualy FIFO? As in the thing that can get interleaved (and
thuse useless) data if two processes write to it at the same time?

On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 20:04, Seth Woolley wrote:
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> Understood, but it's a lot more fun when you don't use the rtc device and
> just use bash and date.
> 
> lines 428ff of simpleinit.c from simpleinit-msb-1.1:
> 
>         if ( ( initctl_fd = open (initctl_name, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK, 0) ) < 0 
> ) {
>                 mkfifo (initctl_name, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
>                 if ( ( initctl_fd = open (initctl_name, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK, 
> 0) ) < 0 )
>                         err ( _("error opening fifo\n") );
>         }
>         fcntl(initctl_fd,F_SETFD,FD_CLOEXEC); /*make sure no one inherits 
> the fd*/
> 
> so it tries to open it, otherwise, it creates the fifo and then reopens
> it, and then it last sets its fcntl options.  bash can do as much.
> (initctl_name is "/dev/initctl")
> 
> Seth
> 
> On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Paul Mahon wrote:
> 
> > No, the rtc device has a few k of extra memory, that's what I was
> > talking about.
> >
> > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 17:16, Seth Woolley wrote:
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> > > Current init uses a fifo/named pipe on /dev/initctl -- I'm not sure how
> > > this works with devfs, but it appears to work.  I can look into the 
> > > source
> > > code on how it does this exactly in a bit if somebody doesn't beat me to
> > > it while I'm at work. I'm sure afrayednot's stuff can use that pipe, eh?
> > >
> > > If we save the clock time right away, we can minuplate the clock value
> > > (though it is slightly volatile, esp. in seconds field) and gain some 
> > > few
> > > extra bits from that.
> > >
> > > Seth
> > >
> > > P.S.  Yes, Java and XML would be great.  Then we can have the boot 
> > > screen
> > > use the gecko rendering engine SVG-enabled and display trees of
> > > depenedencies and stuff in SVG.  A bit custom, but all-in-all a great
> > > idea and we should look into it.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, Python is soo amaturish. We should use Java and change the
> > > > simpleinit scripts to XML.
> > > > afrayednot's stuff requires a FS. I'm not sure if it actualy writes to
> > > > the file, but the file must exist.
> > > >
> > > > Could we use the clock memory?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 16:20, Seth Woolley wrote:
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> > > > > I'd rather fork off a daemon and do ipc to it... maybe use 
> > > > > afrayednot's
> > > > > ipc tools if not bash...
> > > > >
> > > > > or we could do it all in python ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > There's also nvram we could use :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Seth
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You're right, it's not required for anything. henh, you could 
> > > > > > mount the
> > > > > > swap partition as ext2 until there's a real FS... ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 03:22, Robert Helgesson wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2003 at 02:23:34 -0500, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > > > > > > > I don't suppse it would be possible to mount a tmpfs system 
> > > > > > > > right at the
> > > > > > > > start?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, that would probably work, but I'm not sure that it's safe 
> > > > > > > to assume
> > > > > > > tmpfs being available on all smgl installations. Is tmpfs 
> > > > > > > required by
> > > > > > > anything else?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 00:25, Robert Helgesson wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 08, 2003 at 23:41:53 -0500, Paul Mahon wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know how the init stuff actualy works, so the no 
> > > > > > > > > > FS limitation
> > > > > > > > > > may not be as bad. Good ideas though.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It is as bad as you can imagine and worse. Being limited to 
> > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > read/write fs access and no /usr can be quite frustrating 
> > > > > > > > > at times :)
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > De mortuis nihil nisi bonum.
> > > > > >
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