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[Wesley Roe and Santa Barbara Permaculture Network <lakinroe@silcom.com>]

hi everyone
  i run programs in santa barbara www.sbpermaculture.org and hired Geoff 
Lawton for weekend programs ,PDC and more starting in 2005 , i first met 
Geoff in 2002 -so have personal  relation few on list serve have over years 
with Geoff and respect him and his work-  i think all  of us have flaws  and 
could do better but most of the criticism goes personal- we can improve on 
the designs we have created -yes i have been in Jordan too 

One of the big things i have been struggling with has do do with the ethics 
of PC teachers that hit on the female students at their sites and courses and 
how are we going to address this -can we  set a committee that will take 
complaints  we have nowhere to direct people that have complaints-this i feel 
will undue our movement faster than all the stuff i have read on this list 
serve

Appreciate some input
wes


On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:27 AM, scrooge McDuck <declan@planetmail.net> wrote:

> Agreed. You all provided plenty of instances and examples. I don't doubt 
> the fact, and am forewarned.
> 
> OTOH, Scott should not be surprised if people react in strange ways when 
> they are instructed poorly, like "Shooting the messenger." 
> -- 
> Declan Moriarty
> Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> On 18/07/2016, 10:30 Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 2:45 AM, scrooge McDuck <declan@planetmail.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > If Geoff Lawton is a liar, charlatan, and fraudster, judging him in
> > absentia while providing no evidence is a very poor attempt to do anything
> > constructive about his antics. It turns people off your message. Only 
> > fools
> > make superficial Judgements and you provided only superficial evidence, 
> > and
> > a very negative message.
> 
> 
> They all, myself included provided ample evidence of unacceptable behavior
> of PRI and its founder. Why did you not read and comment on that?
> I said that their original PDC course, design, structure and content was
> stolen from someone we all know who created that PDC from scratch himself..
> Maybe plagiarized would be a more sanitary way to describe "I want this
> thing but don't particularly want to have to pay for it so I guess I'll
> just steal it".
> Those of us who know about this heard it directly from the original author
> of the PDC in question. I see all of this as an attempt to correct the
> course the Permaculture Movement is taking.
> 
> --
> Lawrence F. London
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