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[Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>]

While there is a huge amount to applaude in our 36+ years I must go along
with the critique Scott and put a further spin on it. Like a broken record.
There is a true watering down of Permaculture. The majority of the entire
international school of Permaculture is very weak. Yes there is a hell of a
lot of work to be done to bring all systems back in line with the first
generation of Permaculture. Presently right across the board apart from a
few stalwarts Permaculture is horribly week. Everywhere I see courses
focusing of methodology and recipes. It is broken so we need to fix it .

All conferences from now on now need to realise this dilemma and focus on
repair. Which in itself is quite simple, bring back the original guidelines
and rules of the original curriculum and academy, taught by those with
knowledge and skills. A full PDC handbook. Tighten up the rules and apply
them. Re-incarnate Institutes that abide by such framework and administer
them. Also apply the guidelines of original conferences. Most importantly
we need committed people to stand up and take this challenge on.....Steve
Hart

On 4 June 2016 at 14:20, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:

> On the other hand, Jono (in spite of your snarky comment), perhaps we
> should
> have a conference of multiple organizations that isn't advertised as
> "permaculture" but rather as a conference of regenerative techniques and
> solutions.  Then we could include biodynamics, analog forestry, and etc.  I
> have been promoting this for years.  Since permaculture still has an
> enormous amount of work to do just to define itself as a design science I
> think that we are just kicking the can down the road by diffusing our
> energy.  This is where my focus is and I am not interested in yet another
> technique, especially when those techniques seem to me to have not
> developed
> their own efficacy in bringing about change except in very limited ways
> with
> very specific populations.
>
> I appreciate Koreen's and other's energy as much as anyone and am grateful
> that she is putting it into organizing, I am sorry that they are diffusing
> that energy away from permaculture and creating a tent that is too large to
> accomplish much except to create a mutual admiration society for few days
> of
> show and tell.
>
> I think that we have to allow true criticism within our ranks if we are to
> accomplish anything but the current move toward "mainstream" and capitalism
> which seems to be the trend.  Neither of which is permacultural.
>
> I remain, a critic when I feel the necessity.
>
> Scott Pittman
>
>
> "Death is not the greatest loss in life, the greatest loss is what dies
> inside us while we live."  - Norman Cousins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Jono Neiger
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:33 PM
> To: permaculture
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] North American Permaculture Convergence
> thisSeptember! Save the dates!
>
> Thanks for all the work to make this happen, Koreen and others on the
> organizing team.
>
> I think having events with other allied organizations and networks is
> essential for building the strength of our networks and the culture change
> that we are working towards. Permaculture is all about integration and
> interconnection and we can always do more to build relationships with
> allied networks. A convergence with these groups seems like a great idea!
>
> Appreciations to the team for doing the work to make this happen. [Rather
> than complaints about the organizing work (which is huge) it might be
> better to ask "how can I help?"]
>
> permaculturally yours
>
> Jono
>
> *Jono Neiger*
> Regenerative Design Group
> 1 Chevalier Avenue
> Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
> web.  regenerativedesigngroup.com
> tel.    413-658-7048
>
> Conway School, Faculty
> Graduate Program in Sustainable Landscape Planning & Design
> www.csld.edu
>
> PINE: Permaculture Institute of the Northeast
> www.northeastpermaculture.org
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Koreen Brennan <koreenbrennan@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The North American Permaculture Convergence will be focused on the work
> of
> > the permaculture movement, with a number of permaculture organizations
> > coming together to coordinate and seek beneficial connection with one
> > another.
> >
> > Transition Town US is, per their literature, based on permaculture. All
> of
> > our partners have permaculture at their core. It is exciting that these
> > groups are looking forward to working together to forward mutual aims.
> >
> > Best, Koreen
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am not sure why the goulash of organizations at the NAPC but I am not
> > > interested in converging with a bunch of other organizations that may
> or
> > > may
> > > not share the same mission as Permaculture.  Seems that this decision
> > > should
> > > have been passed around for comment rather than done by fiat.  Why
> wasn't
> > > Biodynamics, Analog Forestry, Tree people, and many others not invited
> to
> > > join in the fun?
> > >
> > > If, in the future, a decision is made to hold a "permaculture"
> > convergence,
> > > count me in.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Scott Pittman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Death is not the greatest loss in life, the greatest loss is what dies
> > > inside us while we live."  - Norman Cousins
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> > > Behalf
> > > Of Koreen Brennan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:19 PM
> > > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > > Subject: [permaculture] North American Permaculture Convergence
> > > thisSeptember! Save the dates!
> > >
> > > On Sept 14-18, 2016 the North American Permaculture Convergence will
> > > partner with Building Resilient Communities Convergence (N Calif
> > > Convergence) at the Solar Living Institute in Hopland, CA, to hold the
> > 2nd
> > > NAPC.
> > >
> > > The partnership will make the event much stronger and richer for
> > attendees.
> > > The energies that are coming together are exciting, with many of the
> > major
> > > groups who were at the first convergence already committed to attend
> this
> > > one, and other groups coming on board as well such as Transition US,
> West
> > > Coast Women's Convergence, and more.
> > >
> > > Working groups formed at the first convergence will reconvene and move
> to
> > > the next level; working groups formed at IPC UK can also meet at the
> > > convergence. We will have five days of presentations, with NAPC focused
> > on
> > > Weds/Thurs/Fri, and BRCC focused on a broader audience Sat and Sun.
> NAPC
> > > will continue tracks through the weekend as well.
> > >
> > > We will soon have applications for presenters, work study and other
> > > participation, and ticket sales on our web site. Be sure to sign up for
> > our
> > > newsletter to keep abreast of everything, and Save The Dates!
> > >
> > > --
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