permaculture

["Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>]

On the other hand, Jono (in spite of your snarky comment), perhaps we should
have a conference of multiple organizations that isn't advertised as
"permaculture" but rather as a conference of regenerative techniques and
solutions.  Then we could include biodynamics, analog forestry, and etc.  I
have been promoting this for years.  Since permaculture still has an
enormous amount of work to do just to define itself as a design science I
think that we are just kicking the can down the road by diffusing our
energy.  This is where my focus is and I am not interested in yet another
technique, especially when those techniques seem to me to have not developed
their own efficacy in bringing about change except in very limited ways with
very specific populations.

I appreciate Koreen's and other's energy as much as anyone and am grateful
that she is putting it into organizing, I am sorry that they are diffusing
that energy away from permaculture and creating a tent that is too large to
accomplish much except to create a mutual admiration society for few days of
show and tell.

I think that we have to allow true criticism within our ranks if we are to
accomplish anything but the current move toward "mainstream" and capitalism
which seems to be the trend.  Neither of which is permacultural.

I remain, a critic when I feel the necessity.

Scott Pittman


"Death is not the greatest loss in life, the greatest loss is what dies
inside us while we live."  - Norman Cousins
 
-----Original Message-----
From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
Of Jono Neiger
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 7:33 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] North American Permaculture Convergence
thisSeptember! Save the dates!

Thanks for all the work to make this happen, Koreen and others on the
organizing team.

I think having events with other allied organizations and networks is
essential for building the strength of our networks and the culture change
that we are working towards. Permaculture is all about integration and
interconnection and we can always do more to build relationships with
allied networks. A convergence with these groups seems like a great idea!

Appreciations to the team for doing the work to make this happen. [Rather
than complaints about the organizing work (which is huge) it might be
better to ask "how can I help?"]

permaculturally yours

Jono

*Jono Neiger*
Regenerative Design Group
1 Chevalier Avenue
Greenfield, Massachusetts 01301
web.  regenerativedesigngroup.com
tel.    413-658-7048

Conway School, Faculty
Graduate Program in Sustainable Landscape Planning & Design
www.csld.edu

PINE: Permaculture Institute of the Northeast
www.northeastpermaculture.org


On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Koreen Brennan <koreenbrennan@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The North American Permaculture Convergence will be focused on the work of
> the permaculture movement, with a number of permaculture organizations
> coming together to coordinate and seek beneficial connection with one
> another.
>
> Transition Town US is, per their literature, based on permaculture. All of
> our partners have permaculture at their core. It is exciting that these
> groups are looking forward to working together to forward mutual aims.
>
> Best, Koreen
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I am not sure why the goulash of organizations at the NAPC but I am not
> > interested in converging with a bunch of other organizations that may or
> > may
> > not share the same mission as Permaculture.  Seems that this decision
> > should
> > have been passed around for comment rather than done by fiat.  Why
wasn't
> > Biodynamics, Analog Forestry, Tree people, and many others not invited
to
> > join in the fun?
> >
> > If, in the future, a decision is made to hold a "permaculture"
> convergence,
> > count me in.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Scott Pittman
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Death is not the greatest loss in life, the greatest loss is what dies
> > inside us while we live."  - Norman Cousins
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: permaculture [mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On
> > Behalf
> > Of Koreen Brennan
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2016 6:19 PM
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: [permaculture] North American Permaculture Convergence
> > thisSeptember! Save the dates!
> >
> > On Sept 14-18, 2016 the North American Permaculture Convergence will
> > partner with Building Resilient Communities Convergence (N Calif
> > Convergence) at the Solar Living Institute in Hopland, CA, to hold the
> 2nd
> > NAPC.
> >
> > The partnership will make the event much stronger and richer for
> attendees.
> > The energies that are coming together are exciting, with many of the
> major
> > groups who were at the first convergence already committed to attend
this
> > one, and other groups coming on board as well such as Transition US,
West
> > Coast Women's Convergence, and more.
> >
> > Working groups formed at the first convergence will reconvene and move
to
> > the next level; working groups formed at IPC UK can also meet at the
> > convergence. We will have five days of presentations, with NAPC focused
> on
> > Weds/Thurs/Fri, and BRCC focused on a broader audience Sat and Sun. NAPC
> > will continue tracks through the weekend as well.
> >
> > We will soon have applications for presenters, work study and other
> > participation, and ticket sales on our web site. Be sure to sign up for
> our
> > newsletter to keep abreast of everything, and Save The Dates!
> >
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