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  • From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
  • To: Leo Bakx <leo@aardwerk.org>, pirn@permaculture.org.uk
  • Cc: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>, europeanpermaculturenetwork@googlegroups.com, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] QUESTIONS .. of corruption etc etc
  • Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 09:47:42 +1300

Yeah Leo..couldn't agree anymore. Love Buckies saying that Scott Pittman
has used on his signature byline

""To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
obsolete"

But my argument is more than just being involved in this very paradigm that
most of us are. It is more about being aware of how the existing paradigm
is driving the collapse over the horizon and how we need to be aware of the
many policies driving it. The key one being infiltration and manipulation
of our new paradigm. Then for us to be able to identify these and the
persons that have been planted or bribed who are rubbing shoulders with us
and even more than that.

Some good links now exist to allow us to begin looking into this world
here's but one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwd-yNHQ7Fs&feature=em-subs_digest

I'm keen to see more..obviously when we connect into Youtube there are
dozens of like links that appear in the right hand collumn menu.

Steve Hart



On 15 December 2015 at 21:35, Leo Bakx <leo@aardwerk.org> wrote:

> Buckmister Fuller comes to mind: "The function of what I call design
> science is to solve problems by introducing into the environment new
> artifacts, the availability of which will induce their spontaneous
> employment by humans and thus, coincidentally, cause humans to abandon
> their previous problem-producing behaviors and devices. For example, when
> humans have a vital need to cross the roaring rapids of a river, as a
> design scientist I would design them a bridge, causing them, I am sure, to
> abandon spontaneously and forever the risking of their lives by trying to
> swim to the other shore."
> (1983, R. Buckminster Fuller, Cosmography)
>
> In other words: design something better and compelling to seduce people to
> a better behavior.
>
> IMHO, perhaps clinical pathological cases excepted, greed is the fear of
> missing out on something. "dog eat dog mentality for survival",
> paraphrasing the expression mistakenly attributed to Darwin "survival of
> the fittest" is a convenient myth for people in the fear-industry. Ideas
> are powerful, but only to the extend that you let them be. If permaculture
> is about the practice of radical imagination (2014, Permaculture Design: On
> the Practice of Radical Imagination, Katja Rothe) then imagine this: the
> most effective solution (in systems thinking at least) is to transcend
> models, paradigms, philosophies or whatever you want to call it, let go and
> just go with the flow of Life, the universe and Everything (1982, Douglas
> Adams).
>
> l:-)
>
>
> On 14 dec 2015, at 17:54, Steve Hart wrote:
>
> Its time to consider but not to get paranoid and go over the top and fall
> apart but worthy to start considering.
>
> As the world moves rapidly to many forms of collapse which should be
> evident by now. How do we as a species cope with this. And, how does the
> Permaculture fraternity cope with it ?
>
> My observation suggests that the greed factor mixed with a dog eat dog
> mentality for survival for oneself is becoming more and more apparent.
> Overlay this with the corporate agendas driven by the 1% who dictate the
> worlds resources and business streams who also manipulate every other
> stream of society they have a well developed plan in locking masses into
> the ferriswheel. Its easy to lock up CEOs with huge salaries and then
> dictate their entire modus operandi. They follow this pattern with the
> senior management tiers, who are all aspiring CEOs for they all want to
> plant their face into that trough as well. Then there are countless middle
> managers who also aspire to such greatness and salaries. We all know
> scientists and engineers can be bought. Politicians likewise.
>
> So what of the people within the world of Permaculture ? One could assume
> that due to its rapidly rising popularity and its potential success in
> countering the meglamaniac activity of the corporate 1% (C1) and their
> countless slaves Permaculture must be a prime sitting duck to be
> infiltrated and managed to manipulate for the goals and objectives of the
> C1.
>
> How easily could this be done ?
>
> We must know by now as Mollison always told us that operating on funding
> and grants is like living on a poison carrot. There is never any
> sustainability or security in the strategy. It seems that many many
> different organisations in our diverse networks search out and expect their
> survival and longevity their lifeline to be propped up and supported by
> such hand-outs. A fatal flaw at best. Mollison also spoke of sustainable
> business enterprise and how imperative it was to recognise true
> sustainability.
>
> Perhaps we could open this subject up for debate and see where we could
> evolve it.
>
> We haven't seen a good debate on this channel for awhile. Something to
> ponder over the dearth of xmas
>
> Have a good one
>
>
>
> --
> Kia ora
>
> [image: Picture]
> *Steve Hart*
> *Ecology Architect*
> *Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
> Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
> and Systems Ecology.​*
> Skype: tipenemanawa
> Phone: +64 220 75 62 11
>
> Permaculture Global Design:
> www.permacultureglobaldesign.org
>
> The Permaculture College of Europe.
> www.permaculturecollege.eu
> https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart
>
> GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.
> www.permaculturepartnerships.com
>
>
>


--
Kia ora

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*
*Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology.​*
Skype: tipenemanawa
Phone: +64 220 75 62 11

Permaculture Global Design:
www.permacultureglobaldesign.org

The Permaculture College of Europe.
www.permaculturecollege.eu
https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart

GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.
www.permaculturepartnerships.com




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