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[Jono Neiger <neiger@csld.edu>]

Im not sure the analogy really works. There are really well-meaning people
taking these and other courses that aren't up to snuff. Can we fault the
victim? Do we really want people to just sink (or maybe the analogy is
 "fall through the cracks")? There are some teachers/organizers who are
really good at marketing. Vladislav is one of them. I personally feel some
responsibility for people taking what they might assume are good courses.
We need to do some internal watchdogging, I think.

I also think its ridiculous to just throw out a blanket statement about the
number of deficient teachers out there. There are a few who aren't as
skilled as they could/should be, some who are overconfident and a very few
who are shysters. In the northeast (US) where we've been doing regional
organizing for a decade, we have a fairly tight network and many of the
teachers and organizers know each other.

Thats the solution, I think. A strong, integrated network. People knowing
each other and using their connections to steer people to good courses.
Also, an open source database with feedback would be good.

Jono



*Jono Neiger, Principal*
Regenerative Design Group
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PINE: Permaculture Institute of the Northeast
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 5:45 PM, loren luyendyk <loren@sborganics.com>
wrote:

> I like the analogy Jason.  You can take a PDC at the equivalent of the
> YMCA (like this outfit) or go to the ashram at the PC Institute.
>
> One thing he has threatened to do was to try and own the name permaculture
> so that he could sue everyone for using the word.  I am not sure the legal
> status/possibility of this happening and it really doesn't matter because I
> would continue doing the work I do regardless of the branding.  He is just
> trying to get rich off of the LOHA demographic.
>
> Loren Luyendyk
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>
>
>
> > From: jasongerhardt@gmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:24:30 -0600
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] American Permaculture Association Standards
>      Board?
> >
> > My take on this situation is the problem is the solution. The course
> Scott
> > and I just ended had two people in it that, in their own words, "got
> ripped
> > off" by he who shall not be named. Ultimately, these groups that cast a
> big
> > net on the internet are just drumming up interest for permaculture. Some
> > who encounter them will be happy to stay in the shallow end of the pool
> > growing zucchini's from their ears or whatever new "permaculture"
> technique
> > is all the rage. And, some will see something deeper past the breakers,
> and
> > ever curious, may swim out to see what it's like. I try to serve those
> > craving the depths. You may have to swim to get to me, but no risk no
> > reward. These big internet presences are just funneling more people into
> > the depths.
> >
> > You could look at something like yoga for a parallel. Every ymca and rec
> > center has yoga classes, but you can be sure they aren't reciting the
> > upanishads and whatever else it is that real yogis do. Inevitably some
> > percentage of people who get exposed to yoga that way decide to crave the
> > depths and find a teacher that can offer them that. The same is true with
> > permaculture.
> >
> > Jason
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