permaculture

[Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>]

So Jason..he/she who remains nameless in your views is who ? VD or someone
else ?

Steve

On 11 July 2015 at 16:22, Jason Gerhardt <jasongerhardt@gmail.com> wrote:

> Great comments Jono, Loren, Steve! I didn't intend to suggest that The
> Problem is the Solution is the best way of dealing with the they who shall
> not be named's of permaculture, or that there was only one way. It is
> what's presently happening though, which shouldn't be discounted as a
> possible solution. I see a lot of sides to it actually...my experience with
> students who fell into he who shall not be named's hands via a google
> search is that they feel burned by it, but that it spurred them to find a
> better course. Do they fault permaculture in general for that? Not a bit
> from what I've seen; they fault he who shall not be named. They learned the
> hard way, which made them even more dedicated to permaculture. They fell
> down and got back up stronger than before. I mean, in a way they learned
> street smarts for the internet (there are some obvious warning signs).
> Everybody has to do that sometime or another. It's a shame people can get
> dragged down like that though. So that's a tough love, feral rearing
> strategy.
>
> For a more compassionate and empathetic approach I think there are other
> things we can do too. Building strong teacher networks like Jono described
> in the Northeast is one important way. We have the same thing in the Front
> Range of Colorado where teachers support each other, teach together, even
> take each others classes, and I see it being very effective.
>
> I also think we can offer more post-PDC support to bring our students into
> the fold of this integrated network of permaculturists. One way to do that
> is the Diploma program we've been running through the Permaculture
> Institute. I see it as an essential offering for post PDC education. The
> goal here being to create more excellent permaculture practitioners and to
> support them along the way. From the interest coming at us, PDC grads are
> craving this right now.
>
> I'm just looking for another way around the issue ("be like water") and
> stretching my brain to see it differently. Perception is an amazing thing.
> Sometimes it seems there's a problem, and from a different angle maybe it's
> not such a big problem after all, and maybe the so called problem is
> actually a good solution for something we've been trying to accomplish,
> like getting more people into permaculture in this case.
>
> This reminds me of a Mollisonism, "let systems demonstrate their own
> evolution". What would it look like for the permaculture community to
> demonstrate it's own evolution? Fortunately we are part of this system and
> get to contribute to steering it in the direction we want to see it go. To
> me it's about making permaculture excellent with positive action, or more
> excellent than it already is (we have a lot going for us).
>
> What else can we do to make permaculture stronger than ever?
>
> Jason
>
> --
>
> www.realearthdesign.com
>
> 720-496-9744
> _______________________________________________
> permaculture mailing list
> permaculture@lists.ibiblio.orgubscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info:
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture
> message archives: https://lists.ibiblio.org/sympa/arc/permaculture
> message archive mirrors:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/permaculturelist
> http://permacultureforum.blogspot.com
> http://permaculturelist.wordpress.com
> Google message archive search:
> site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring]
> Permaculture Institute USA http://permaculture.org
> How to permaculture your urban lifestyle
> http://www.ipermie.net
> Avant Geared  https://sites.google.com/site/avantgeared/
> https://plus.google.com/+Avantgeared
> Permaculture: -- portal to an expanding global network of landtech
> pioneers practicing and teaching permaculture
> while designing ecological, biointensive land use systems with integrated
> elements for synergy, sustainability, regeneration and enhanced
> nature-compatible
> human habitat --
>



-- 
Kia ora

[image: Picture]
*Steve Hart*
*Ecology Architect*
*Designer, Teacher, Builder of Ecologically Sustainable Resilient
Environments, through Urban Design, Architecture, Landscape Architecture
and Systems Ecology.​*
Skype: tipenemanawa
Phone: +64 220 75 62 11

Permaculture Global Design:
www.permacultureglobaldesign.org

The Permaculture College of Europe.
www.permaculturecollege.eu
https://permaculturecollege.academia.edu/SteveHart

GAPPS The Global Alliance for Permaculture Partnerships and Solutions.
www.permaculturepartnerships.com