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  • From: June Ipers <junipers@zoho.com>
  • To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] FW: New rocket mass heater kickstarter
  • Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2015 21:13:58 +0100

Wow.
I really didn't expect to see posts like these left unmoderated, but I suppose when one of the moderators is one of the people spewing hate, I guess this list just tolerates uncivil behavior.

I'd like to echo Chris's thoughts on this matter and encourage people to wash their dirty laundry in private. I personally don't want to have it.

I currently help out on the Permie forums as a moderator and have been a member since 2010, and I can assure people that we have a zero-tolerance for this kind of bad behavior, it's called the "be nice" rule. It usually makes unkind people angry at us for shushing them. So be it.

As for other sentiments of Paul's forays into capitalism by way of permaculture, I would urge people to consider that:

1) We live in capitalism. Expecting other people to be pure and untouched by capitalism gets us nowhere. If encouraging people to be millionaires while regenerating vast swaths of land with permaculture design isn't your thing, great. Nobody is forcing you to hang out with people who do.
2) Other people have different strategies for making the world a better place. While I personally do not subscribe to 100% of what Paul has to offer, I respect his right to voice that opinion and I feel he is moved by the desire to do good.
3) The results of Permies have been positive. More people being introduced to permaculture. More people getting quality advice about how to move forward their own permaculture projects, and a forum where people don't feel gang-raped just for posting (see other forums around the web). Inasmuch as this can be attributed to Paul Wheaton's "empire building", I believe he deserves people's respect.
4) Paul is active in supporting anything that moves permaculture forward. This is of course infused by what he believes is the "best" of permaculture. Just off the top of my head this would include: Mark Shepard, Toby Hemenway, Willie Smits, Geoff Lawton, Permaculture Voices, Fukuoka and Larry Korn. So....if we are going to banish Paul from the permaculture earth, out with him goes a huge megaphone for all those great things we all agree are cool. Thanks for that!

As for the original qualm that set this all in motion, the forum mass mailing:
Usually 99.9% of Paul's mass messages go to 2 *opt-in* newsletters, one is daily-ish. The other happens hardly ever. Then, once in a blue moon there is a mass mail to forum users. The official policy on mass mailing to forum users is that anyone can opt out, so if Scott didn't want to receive that e-mail, it was his fault for not opting out previously.

William



On 03/12/2015 06:17 PM, Lawrence London wrote:
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks Scott....is this coming from the same energy that was exposed some
time ago about a previous campaign where people lost out ?

Exactly the same source, Paul Wheaton. You should see that one in action in
a video about, get this, Wheaton Labs;
big fat pompous slob now introducing himself as just "Paul", probably name
change to protect the guilty. He has finally arrived, #2 permaculture used
car salesman, the odious vlad #1. All working against everything we believe
to be real,
authentic and worthwhile in permaculture. Wheaton is trying to 1) make lots
of money off permaculture and fools 2) create a faux permaculture movement
3) work against everyone we respect in the permaculture movement 4) apply
witheringly horrible and odious ayn rand philosophy to the permaculture
movement ["help Paul with his conspiracy to rule the world"].

Enough of that garbage

Steve Hart

On 13 March 2015 at 05:02, Scott Pittman <scott@permaculture.org> wrote:

This came to my email unsolicited with no link to unsubscribe. I have a
deep suspicion of anyone who keeps piling on the goodies to sell me
something. I'm surprised there is no Batman mask and a Green Lantern
ring.
This is the most odious form of capitalism and it contaminates
permaculture.

Scott

"To change something build a new model that makes the existing model
obsolete" Buckminster Fuller


-----Original Message-----
From: paul wheaton [mailto:forums@permies.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:37 PM
To: paul wheaton
Subject: New rocket mass heater kickstarter

Hi,

You are getting this email because you are registered for the forums at
permies.com. I think it has been about a year since I have sent you all
an
email!

I have a kickstarter that has an update for my rocket mass heater DVDs.
Not
only are the new DVDs professionally videoed with professional sound,
but I
want to make sure that my kickstarter supporters get FAR more goodies
than
the people that get into this stuff later.

For this new kickstarter I've made it so that for just $1 you get:

- a micro documentary about rocket mass heaters
- 19 podcasts about rocket mass heaters (25 hours)
- (optional) public thanks

For $2 you get that plus:

- Full "how to plans" for the beautiful "bonny" rocket mass heater
(currently selling for $25)
- The Rocket Mass Heater in a Greenhouse plans (not yet released)
- The Permaculture Playing Cards eBook
- Podcasts 201-280

For $3 you get that plus:

- pdf "3 Stoves for $3 or Less"
- album "Permaculture: A Rhymer's Manual" by Formidable Vegetable

At $5 you get that plus:

- The streaming version of the full DVD "Fire Science"
- Access to the permies.com secret inner circle

And more and more and more until you can get all four of the full length
DVDs as a download (plus everything listed above) for $40.

If nothing else, please check out the video for this - I think it turned
out
really good!

The thread about it at permies, complete with video, pictures, comments
and
more:

http://permies.com/t/44266



Sign up for my daily-ish email, or my devious plots for world
domination: http://richsoil.com/email


sent to forum user scott@permaculture.org

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