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  • From: Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
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  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and Capitalism
  • Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 21:59:30 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks much for posting all those great resources Lawrence. You are the
resource king! Have you heard of locallygrown.net? We have a few of those
going in our area, it's a great way for local urban farmers to find a
marketplace on line and then deliver in person. They don't have to harvest
crops until they sell them and they make 80% of the profits. Pretty sweet
system. We also have a cooperative farmer's market and urban farming system,
another one our graduates did that. There is a movement to get libraries to
save seeds and tool share (a couple of them are "lending" out seed - the
person is supposed to save seed from the crop and return some to the library
for the next person). For whatever reason, maybe because recession is still
hitting us here, alternative economies have caught on, with some people at
least. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:14 PM
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On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks for pushing this idea. We are teaching these strategies in our
> design courses and have a thriving Time Bank in our community (one of our
> PDC graduates, Marie Nelson, took this on and did a tremendous job with
> it), lots of gift economy,


I did not know that time banking and community banking had become movements.

Want to know what else is needed? 1) Cooperative Food Banks (owned and run
of by and for consumers and producers) - direct barter or use a Time
Bank-like system , 2) Cooperative Farmers Markets 3) and for outside-market
distribution Farmers Marketing Cooperatives, owned and operated of by and
for the gardeners and farmers - 1,2,3 can be combined in low demand areas,
separated in higher demand areas. Using my notion of a computer/web-based
resource a services and production production, marketing and distribution
network could be really useful and help tie together all the elements of
everything I have listed and described above.

From the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking*

Time banking* is a pattern of reciprocal service exchange that uses units
of time as currency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency>. It is an
example of a complementary monetary
system<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_system>.
A time bank, also known as a service exchange, is a community that
practices time banking. The unit of currency, always valued at an hour's
worth of any person's labor, used by these groups has various names, but is
generally known as a time dollar in the USA and a time credit in the UK.
Time banking is primarily used to provide
incentives<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incentive>and rewards for work
such as mentoring children, caring for the elderly,
being neighborly—work usually done on a volunteer basis—which a pure market
system devalues. Essentially, the "time" one spends providing these types
of community services earns "time" that one can spend to receive services.[1
] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-1> As well as
gaining credits, participating individuals, particularly those more used to
being recipients in other parts of their lives, can potentially gain
confidence, social contact and skills through giving to others. Communities
therefore use time banking as a tool to forge stronger intra-community
connections, a process known as "building social
capital<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital>".
Time banking had its intellectual genesis in the USA in the early
1980s.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-2>By
1990, the Robert
Wood Johnson
Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wood_Johnson_Foundation>had
invested USD 1.2 million to pilot time banking in the context of
senior
care. Today, 26 countries have active Time Banks. There are 250 Time Banks
active in the UK[3]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-3>and over 276
Time Banks in the U.S.
[4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-4>


> some are working on getting a Community Bank going,


From the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank

A *community bank* is a depository
institution<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_institution>that
is typically locally owned and operated. Community banks tend to focus
on the needs of the businesses and families where the bank holds branches
and offices. Lending decisions are made by people who understand the local
needs of families, businesses and farmers. Employees often reside within
the communities they serve.

In the United States, community banks are defined as independent banks and
savings institutions holding companies with aggregate assets less than $1
billion.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-Trends-2004-1>From
1985 to 2004 they comprised 94% of all banks in the United States, but
the proportion of expanding total national deposits that the Community
Banks held declined from about 25.89% of all U.S. deposits in 1985 to
13.55% of the U.S. deposits in
2003.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-Trends-2004-1>
[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-BR-Critchfield-2004-2>
[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-BR-Jones-2006-3>
A site with resources for community banking:

Community Banking Connections
http://www.communitybankingconnections.org/

This site hosts the online version of the *Community Banking
Connections*publication, a nationwide Federal Reserve System resource
for community
banks. It also provides extensive information and real-time policy updates
to ensure that community bankers have access to the important information
they need to maintain safe and sound banking practices in an evolving

economy.


> we have several cooperative companies going, Slow Money, a strong local
> business and local agriculture movement, one of my graduates held a
> Financial Permaculture conference, we're holding another one this spring,
> etc, all in a few years since I and others started educating people about
> these concepts in this area. It doesn't take much to get people interested
> - quite a few people understand this system isn't working that well. I know
> there are others who are doing a lot in their areas too. Time Bank is
> apparently growing exponentially in a number of areas.
>
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
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Tool lending library
 
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Thanks much for posting all those great resources Lawrence. You are the
resource king! Have you heard of locallygrown.net? We have a few of those
going in our area, it's a great way for local urban farmers to find a
marketplace on line and then deliver in person. They don't have to harvest
crops until they sell them and they make 80% of the profits. Pretty sweet
system. We also have a cooperative farmer's market and urban farming system,
another one our graduates did that. There is a movement to get libraries to
save seeds and tool share (a couple of them are "lending" out seed - the
person is supposed to save seed from the crop and return some to the library
for the next person). For whatever reason, maybe because recession is still
hitting us here, alternative economies have caught on, with some people at
least. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and   
Capitalism


On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks for pushing this idea. We are teaching these strategies in our
> design courses and have a thriving Time Bank in our community (one of our
> PDC graduates, Marie Nelson, took this on and did a tremendous job with
> it), lots of gift economy,


I did not know that time banking and community banking had become movements.

Want to know what else is needed? 1) Cooperative Food Banks (owned and run
of by and for consumers and producers) - direct barter or use a Time
Bank-like system , 2) Cooperative Farmers Markets 3) and for outside-market
distribution Farmers Marketing Cooperatives, owned and operated of by and
for the gardeners and farmers - 1,2,3 can be combined in low demand areas,
separated in higher demand areas. Using my notion of a computer/web-based
resource a services and production production, marketing and distribution
network could be really useful and help tie together all the elements of
everything I have listed and described above.

From the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking*

Time banking* is a pattern of reciprocal service exchange that uses units
of time as currency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency>. It is an
example of a complementary monetary
system<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_system>.
A time bank, also known as a service exchange, is a community that
practices time banking. The unit of currency, always valued at an hour's
worth of any person's labor, used by these groups has various names, but is
generally known as a time dollar in the USA and a time credit in the UK.
Time banking is primarily used to provide
incentives<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incentive>and rewards for work
such as mentoring children, caring for the elderly,
being neighborly—work usually done on a volunteer basis—which a pure market
system devalues. Essentially, the "time" one spends providing these types
of community services earns "time" that one can spend to receive services.[1
] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-1> As well as
gaining credits, participating individuals, particularly those more used to
being recipients in other parts of their lives, can potentially gain
confidence, social contact and skills through giving to others. Communities
therefore use time banking as a tool to forge stronger intra-community
connections, a process known as "building social
capital<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital>".
Time banking had its intellectual genesis in the USA in the early
1980s.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-2>By
1990, the Robert
Wood Johnson
Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wood_Johnson_Foundation>had
invested USD 1.2 million to pilot time banking in the context of
senior
care. Today, 26 countries have active Time Banks. There are 250 Time Banks
active in the UK[3]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-3>and over 276
Time Banks in the U.S.
[4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-4>


> some are working on getting a Community Bank going,


From the Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank

A *community bank* is a depository
institution<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_institution>that
is typically locally owned and operated. Community banks tend to focus
on the needs of the businesses and families where the bank holds branches
and offices. Lending decisions are made by people who understand the local
needs of families, businesses and farmers. Employees often reside within
the communities they serve.

In the United States, community banks are defined as independent banks and
savings institutions holding companies with aggregate assets less than $1
billion.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-Trends-2004-1>From
1985 to 2004 they comprised 94% of all banks in the United States, but
the proportion of expanding total national deposits that the Community
Banks held declined from about 25.89% of all U.S. deposits in 1985 to
13.55% of the U.S. deposits in
2003.[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-Trends-2004-1>
[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-BR-Critchfield-2004-2>
[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-BR-Jones-2006-3>
A site with resources for community banking:

Community Banking Connections
http://www.communitybankingconnections.org/

This site hosts the online version of the *Community Banking
Connections*publication, a nationwide Federal Reserve System resource
for community
banks. It also provides extensive information and real-time policy updates
to ensure that community bankers have access to the important information
they need to maintain safe and sound banking practices in an evolving

economy.


> we have several cooperative companies going, Slow Money, a strong local
> business and local agriculture movement, one of my graduates held a
> Financial Permaculture conference, we're holding another one this spring,
> etc, all in a few years since I and others started educating people about
> these concepts in this area. It doesn't take much to get people interested
> - quite a few people understand this system isn't working that well. I know
> there are others who are doing a lot in their areas too. Time Bank is
> apparently growing exponentially in a number of areas.
>
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 12:59 AM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks much for posting all those great resources Lawrence. You are the
> resource king!


Thanks! I work at it; information-obsessed, save everything I find
everything interesting on the web, email, eml, html, mht, maff, doc, txt,
pdf, etc.all formats useful for archival.


> Have you heard of locallygrown.net?


Yes. There is a Durham, NC affiliate nearby, Durham Locally Grown, goMarketNC,
http://durham.locallygrown.net/market
Look at the list of markets in their system!
http://locallygrown.net/markets/list

In my previous post about cooperatives I forgot to include online markets
and online food hubs. They are the wave of the future! This is the
direction to go if you are a grower, micro, small, medium or large
wanting to sell locally. I can't see a need for any alternative to
locallygrown unless an individual wants to set up an online market just for
themselves, i.e. an "online" stand in addition to or instead of a roadside
or farm stand. Cooling facilities, walk-ins, freezers and refrigerators
could be made available to producers involved in cooperatives, located at
the hubs, i.e. the people running each locallygrown.net affiliate hub;
growers could chip in to purchase these if funds were not otherwise
available to the hub operator.

We have a few of those going in our area, it's a great way for local urban
> farmers to find a marketplace on line and then deliver in person. They
> don't have to harvest crops until they sell them and they make 80% of the
> profits. Pretty sweet system.


This is the essence of efficiency and maximization of profit for all
involved in the system, a true win-win situation offering great benefits to
customers.

We also have a cooperative farmer's market and urban farming system,
> another one our graduates did that. There is a movement to get libraries to
> save seeds and tool share (a couple of them are "lending" out seed - the
> person is supposed to save seed from the crop and return some to the
> library for the next person). For whatever reason, maybe because recession
> is still hitting us here, alternative economies have caught on, with some
> people at least.
>

Seed libraries and tool libraries are also great systems. There should be
entire networks of them all across the country. Also very worthwhile would
be equipment libraries, i.e. farm tractors and implements, trucks, dump
trucks, even combines. Think about it, one tractor 50hp or 70hp, depending
on farmers needs and implements available, plus appropriate implements such
as rotavator, field cultivator, subsoiler, Yeomans plow, bottom plow,
hiller-bedder, seed spreader, fertilizer and lime spreader, round bale
transporter, flail mower, bush hog mower, everything needed for field crops
and raised bed prep and maintenance, all could be shared by a dozen or more
farms located within easy driving distance from a central equipment storage
location; members could share in purchase and maintenance expenses. All
participating members could also use all the cooperative marketing and
distribution resources we have listed and described here so far, especially
the online coop producer food hub.

Thanks for all the great information about what is going on in your areas
and what your students have done and the directions they are headed
creating local resources; it is so inspirational.

Cheers,

LL


> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Lawrence London <lfljvenaura@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and
> Capitalism
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for pushing this idea. We are teaching these strategies in our
> > design courses and have a thriving Time Bank in our community (one of our
> > PDC graduates, Marie Nelson, took this on and did a tremendous job with
> > it), lots of gift economy,
>
>
> I did not know that time banking and community banking had become
> movements.
>
> Want to know what else is needed? 1) Cooperative Food Banks (owned and run
> of by and for consumers and producers) - direct barter or use a Time
> Bank-like system , 2) Cooperative Farmers Markets 3) and for outside-market
> distribution Farmers Marketing Cooperatives, owned and operated of by and
> for the gardeners and farmers - 1,2,3 can be combined in low demand areas,
> separated in higher demand areas. Using my notion of a computer/web-based
> resource a services and production production, marketing and distribution
> network could be really useful and help tie together all the elements of
> everything I have listed and described above.
>
> From the Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking*
>
> Time banking* is a pattern of reciprocal service exchange that uses units
> of time as currency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency>. It is an
> example of a complementary monetary
> system<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_system>.
> A time bank, also known as a service exchange, is a community that
> practices time banking. The unit of currency, always valued at an hour's
> worth of any person's labor, used by these groups has various names, but is
> generally known as a time dollar in the USA and a time credit in the UK.
> Time banking is primarily used to provide
> incentives<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incentive>and rewards for work
> such as mentoring children, caring for the elderly,
> being neighborly—work usually done on a volunteer basis—which a pure market
> system devalues. Essentially, the "time" one spends providing these types
> of community services earns "time" that one can spend to receive
> services.[1
> ] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-1> As well as
> gaining credits, participating individuals, particularly those more used to
> being recipients in other parts of their lives, can potentially gain
> confidence, social contact and skills through giving to others. Communities
> therefore use time banking as a tool to forge stronger intra-community
> connections, a process known as "building social
> capital<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_capital>".
> Time banking had its intellectual genesis in the USA in the early
> 1980s.[2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-2>By
> 1990, the Robert
> Wood Johnson Foundation<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wood_Johnson_Foundation>had
> invested USD 1.2 million to pilot time banking in the context of
> senior
> care. Today, 26 countries have active Time Banks. There are 250 Time Banks
> active in the UK[3]
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-3>and over 276
> Time Banks in the U.S.
> [4] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_banking#cite_note-4>
>
>
> > some are working on getting a Community Bank going,
>
>
> From the Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank
>
> A *community bank* is a depository
> institution<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depository_institution>that
> is typically locally owned and operated. Community banks tend to focus
> on the needs of the businesses and families where the bank holds branches
> and offices. Lending decisions are made by people who understand the local
> needs of families, businesses and farmers. Employees often reside within
> the communities they serve.
>
> In the United States, community banks are defined as independent banks and
> savings institutions holding companies with aggregate assets less than $1
> billion.[1]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-Trends-2004-1
> >From
> 1985 to 2004 they comprised 94% of all banks in the United States, but
> the proportion of expanding total national deposits that the Community
> Banks held declined from about 25.89% of all U.S. deposits in 1985 to
> 13.55% of the U.S. deposits in
> 2003.[1]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-Trends-2004-1>
> [2]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-BR-Critchfield-2004-2
> >
> [3]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_bank#cite_note-FDIC-BR-Jones-2006-3
> >
> A site with resources for community banking:
>
> Community Banking Connections
> http://www.communitybankingconnections.org/
>
> This site hosts the online version of the *Community Banking
> Connections*publication, a nationwide Federal Reserve System resource
> for community
> banks. It also provides extensive information and real-time policy updates
> to ensure that community bankers have access to the important information
> they need to maintain safe and sound banking practices in an evolving
>
> economy.
>
>
> > we have several cooperative companies going, Slow Money, a strong local
> > business and local agriculture movement, one of my graduates held a
> > Financial Permaculture conference, we're holding another one this spring,
> > etc, all in a few years since I and others started educating people about
> > these concepts in this area. It doesn't take much to get people
> interested
> > - quite a few people understand this system isn't working that well. I
> know
> > there are others who are doing a lot in their areas too. Time Bank is
> > apparently growing exponentially in a number of areas.
> >
> > Koreen Brennan
> >
> > www.growpermaculture.com
> > www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> >
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