permaculture

[rafter sass ferguson <liberationecology@gmail.com>]

Ha! Sorry! Working on a tiny screen, I thought Ernest's comment was a
notification of a comment on my blog. I moderate blog comments by email, so
naturally I 'approved' Ernest's comment, telling my website to post it.

:)



On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:34 PM, rafter sass ferguson <
liberationecology@gmail.com> wrote:

> Approve
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Ernest Rando <lotusdog@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> For any one wanting a really good lesson on ways to critique capitalism
>> (which culturally is taboo to do in the US) and to learn how to critique
>> our economic systems of choice as well as a history lesson in our past
>> economic systems, please check out Richard Wolf's YouTube website:
>> https://www.youtube.com/user/RichardDWolff/videos
>>
>> I would start with this 8 hour Class that he gives
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGYdZo3mw00
>>
>> However if you only have an hour and a half, here is his most recent
>> monthly economic update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6WVLftjwhA
>>
>> This man is a great lecturer in my opinion and fundamentally he wants us
>> to
>> critique our current economic system. His lectures changed my heart and my
>> viewpoints, I hope you are inspired and empowered by them as well.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Koreen, I think you're right we want to build an alternative system that
>> > puts well being of people and regenerative cultivated ecologies on the
>> > table as priority goals.  To accomplish this, I think it is necessary to
>> > define the components and processes that facilitate this development.
>> > Rafter's interview/article attempt to frame and provide direction for
>> both
>> > defining a system that concentrates wealth at the expense of people and
>> > ecosystems and defining alternatives.
>> >
>> > I encourage people to read the comments on this article on Rafter's
>> site as
>> > well.  some great info circulating there
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> http://liberationecology.org/2013/09/11/confronting-context-permaculture-capitalism/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think there is room for a lot of viewpoints and approaches to the
>> > > subject in the kind of diverse, multi faceted system that will bring
>> > about
>> > > lasting change.
>> > >
>> > > That said, my personal interest lies in the direction defining,
>> tweaking
>> > > and building a "better model" a la Buckminster Fuller. I think that
>> Mark
>> > > Anielski who wrote "The Economics of Happiness" has some great
>> concepts
>> > > that can be built on. His Genuine Wealth Indicator is a meaningful
>> > measure
>> > > of where we are at as a culture or community in creating quality of
>> life
>> > > and a regenerative approach to the natural world. I've found that a
>> lot
>> > of
>> > > people resonate with the concept of having the economy serve them,
>> > instead
>> > > of them being enslaved by the economy. Mark does a good job (for me at
>> > > least) of bringing that subject back to human scale.
>> > >
>> > > Koreen Brennan
>> > >
>> > > www.growpermaculture.com
>> > > www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
>> > > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >  From: rafter sass ferguson <liberationecology@gmail.com>
>> > > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:12 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and
>> > > Capitalism
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > We are all using very different definitions of capitalism, which is a
>> > huge
>> > > part of the reason I wrote the article. If we are going to talk about
>> > > politics or economics AT ALL in permaculture (and is there a
>> legitimate
>> > > other option?) then we have to talk about capitalism.
>> > >
>> > > "When does conversation help? When do we move closer to what we want,
>> > > through conversation, rather than merely rehashing what we already
>> > know?" -
>> > > Susan Parenti
>> > >
>> > > If we want our conversations ( those times when we, among other
>> things,
>> > > plan our actions) about economics to move us closer to what we want,
>> we
>> > > would be foolish to go without a mutual definition of capitalism. CPE
>> > > provides one that's been field tested for 30 years, designed for
>> > > non-academics, that makes sense out of the jumble.
>> > >
>> > > Making money isn't capitalism, any more than mulching is permaculture.
>> > > Selling things isn't capitalism, any more than eating veggies from
>> your
>> > > garden is permaculture.
>> > >
>> > > Opposing capitalism does not mean rejecting successful regenerative
>> > > projects right now, any more than permaculture requires that you
>> refuse
>> > to
>> > > work with organic annual growers.
>> > > It doesn't mean rejecting pluralism for a cookie-cutter template for
>> > > projects, any more than permaculture prescribes a cookie-cutter
>> > landscape.
>> > >
>> > > Opposing capitalism means that we, as a movement, base our
>> successional
>> > > strategies on a systemic analysis of our institutions, and create
>> > projects
>> > > that, in networks, will help change the trajectory of the system as a
>> > > whole. Thats not something ANY one project can do - we only do it as a
>> > > network, as a movement. And we can't do it without talking about it.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
>> > > PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
>> > > University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
>> > > liberationecology.org
>> > > 518 567 7407
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> University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
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Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
liberationecology.org
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