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[rafter sass ferguson <liberationecology@gmail.com>]

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Ernest Rando <lotusdog@hotmail.com> wrote:

> For any one wanting a really good lesson on ways to critique capitalism
> (which culturally is taboo to do in the US) and to learn how to critique
> our economic systems of choice as well as a history lesson in our past
> economic systems, please check out Richard Wolf's YouTube website:
> https://www.youtube.com/user/RichardDWolff/videos
>
> I would start with this 8 hour Class that he gives
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGYdZo3mw00
>
> However if you only have an hour and a half, here is his most recent
> monthly economic update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6WVLftjwhA
>
> This man is a great lecturer in my opinion and fundamentally he wants us to
> critique our current economic system. His lectures changed my heart and my
> viewpoints, I hope you are inspired and empowered by them as well.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Neil Bertrando <neilbertrando@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Koreen, I think you're right we want to build an alternative system that
> > puts well being of people and regenerative cultivated ecologies on the
> > table as priority goals.  To accomplish this, I think it is necessary to
> > define the components and processes that facilitate this development.
> > Rafter's interview/article attempt to frame and provide direction for
> both
> > defining a system that concentrates wealth at the expense of people and
> > ecosystems and defining alternatives.
> >
> > I encourage people to read the comments on this article on Rafter's site
> as
> > well.  some great info circulating there
> >
> >
> >
> http://liberationecology.org/2013/09/11/confronting-context-permaculture-capitalism/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think there is room for a lot of viewpoints and approaches to the
> > > subject in the kind of diverse, multi faceted system that will bring
> > about
> > > lasting change.
> > >
> > > That said, my personal interest lies in the direction defining,
> tweaking
> > > and building a "better model" a la Buckminster Fuller. I think that
> Mark
> > > Anielski who wrote "The Economics of Happiness" has some great concepts
> > > that can be built on. His Genuine Wealth Indicator is a meaningful
> > measure
> > > of where we are at as a culture or community in creating quality of
> life
> > > and a regenerative approach to the natural world. I've found that a lot
> > of
> > > people resonate with the concept of having the economy serve them,
> > instead
> > > of them being enslaved by the economy. Mark does a good job (for me at
> > > least) of bringing that subject back to human scale.
> > >
> > > Koreen Brennan
> > >
> > > www.growpermaculture.com
> > > www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> > > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >  From: rafter sass ferguson <liberationecology@gmail.com>
> > > To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and
> > > Capitalism
> > >
> > >
> > > We are all using very different definitions of capitalism, which is a
> > huge
> > > part of the reason I wrote the article. If we are going to talk about
> > > politics or economics AT ALL in permaculture (and is there a legitimate
> > > other option?) then we have to talk about capitalism.
> > >
> > > "When does conversation help? When do we move closer to what we want,
> > > through conversation, rather than merely rehashing what we already
> > know?" -
> > > Susan Parenti
> > >
> > > If we want our conversations ( those times when we, among other things,
> > > plan our actions) about economics to move us closer to what we want, we
> > > would be foolish to go without a mutual definition of capitalism. CPE
> > > provides one that's been field tested for 30 years, designed for
> > > non-academics, that makes sense out of the jumble.
> > >
> > > Making money isn't capitalism, any more than mulching is permaculture.
> > > Selling things isn't capitalism, any more than eating veggies from your
> > > garden is permaculture.
> > >
> > > Opposing capitalism does not mean rejecting successful regenerative
> > > projects right now, any more than permaculture requires that you refuse
> > to
> > > work with organic annual growers.
> > > It doesn't mean rejecting pluralism for a cookie-cutter template for
> > > projects, any more than permaculture prescribes a cookie-cutter
> > landscape.
> > >
> > > Opposing capitalism means that we, as a movement, base our successional
> > > strategies on a systemic analysis of our institutions, and create
> > projects
> > > that, in networks, will help change the trajectory of the system as a
> > > whole. Thats not something ANY one project can do - we only do it as a
> > > network, as a movement. And we can't do it without talking about it.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
> > > PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
> > > University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
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Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
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