permaculture

[Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

I think there is room for a lot of viewpoints and approaches to the subject 
in the kind of diverse, multi faceted system that will bring about lasting 
change. 

That said, my personal interest lies in the direction defining, tweaking and 
building a "better model" a la Buckminster Fuller. I think that Mark Anielski 
who wrote "The Economics of Happiness" has some great concepts that can be 
built on. His Genuine Wealth Indicator is a meaningful measure of where we 
are at as a culture or community in creating quality of life and a 
regenerative approach to the natural world. I've found that a lot of people 
resonate with the concept of having the economy serve them, instead of them 
being enslaved by the economy. Mark does a good job (for me at least) of 
bringing that subject back to human scale. 
 
Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition


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 From: rafter sass ferguson <liberationecology@gmail.com>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org> 
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Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and   
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We are all using very different definitions of capitalism, which is a huge
part of the reason I wrote the article. If we are going to talk about
politics or economics AT ALL in permaculture (and is there a legitimate
other option?) then we have to talk about capitalism.

"When does conversation help? When do we move closer to what we want,
through conversation, rather than merely rehashing what we already know?" -
Susan Parenti

If we want our conversations ( those times when we, among other things,
plan our actions) about economics to move us closer to what we want, we
would be foolish to go without a mutual definition of capitalism. CPE
provides one that's been field tested for 30 years, designed for
non-academics, that makes sense out of the jumble.

Making money isn't capitalism, any more than mulching is permaculture.
Selling things isn't capitalism, any more than eating veggies from your
garden is permaculture.

Opposing capitalism does not mean rejecting successful regenerative
projects right now, any more than permaculture requires that you refuse to
work with organic annual growers.
It doesn't mean rejecting pluralism for a cookie-cutter template for
projects, any more than permaculture prescribes a cookie-cutter landscape.

Opposing capitalism means that we, as a movement, base our successional
strategies on a systemic analysis of our institutions, and create projects
that, in networks, will help change the trajectory of the system as a
whole. Thats not something ANY one project can do - we only do it as a
network, as a movement. And we can't do it without talking about it.


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Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
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Koreen, I think you're right we want to build an alternative system that
puts well being of people and regenerative cultivated ecologies on the
table as priority goals.  To accomplish this, I think it is necessary to
define the components and processes that facilitate this development.
Rafter's interview/article attempt to frame and provide direction for both
defining a system that concentrates wealth at the expense of people and
ecosystems and defining alternatives.

I encourage people to read the comments on this article on Rafter's site as
well.  some great info circulating there

http://liberationecology.org/2013/09/11/confronting-context-permaculture-capitalism/




On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Koreen Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I think there is room for a lot of viewpoints and approaches to the
> subject in the kind of diverse, multi faceted system that will bring about
> lasting change.
>
> That said, my personal interest lies in the direction defining, tweaking
> and building a "better model" a la Buckminster Fuller. I think that Mark
> Anielski who wrote "The Economics of Happiness" has some great concepts
> that can be built on. His Genuine Wealth Indicator is a meaningful measure
> of where we are at as a culture or community in creating quality of life
> and a regenerative approach to the natural world. I've found that a lot of
> people resonate with the concept of having the economy serve them, instead
> of them being enslaved by the economy. Mark does a good job (for me at
> least) of bringing that subject back to human scale.
>
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.facebook.com/growpermaculturenow
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: rafter sass ferguson <liberationecology@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Confronting the Context: Permaculture and
> Capitalism
>
>
> We are all using very different definitions of capitalism, which is a huge
> part of the reason I wrote the article. If we are going to talk about
> politics or economics AT ALL in permaculture (and is there a legitimate
> other option?) then we have to talk about capitalism.
>
> "When does conversation help? When do we move closer to what we want,
> through conversation, rather than merely rehashing what we already know?" -
> Susan Parenti
>
> If we want our conversations ( those times when we, among other things,
> plan our actions) about economics to move us closer to what we want, we
> would be foolish to go without a mutual definition of capitalism. CPE
> provides one that's been field tested for 30 years, designed for
> non-academics, that makes sense out of the jumble.
>
> Making money isn't capitalism, any more than mulching is permaculture.
> Selling things isn't capitalism, any more than eating veggies from your
> garden is permaculture.
>
> Opposing capitalism does not mean rejecting successful regenerative
> projects right now, any more than permaculture requires that you refuse to
> work with organic annual growers.
> It doesn't mean rejecting pluralism for a cookie-cutter template for
> projects, any more than permaculture prescribes a cookie-cutter landscape.
>
> Opposing capitalism means that we, as a movement, base our successional
> strategies on a systemic analysis of our institutions, and create projects
> that, in networks, will help change the trajectory of the system as a
> whole. Thats not something ANY one project can do - we only do it as a
> network, as a movement. And we can't do it without talking about it.
>
>
> --
> Rafter Sass Ferguson, MS
> PhD Candidate | Crop Sciences Department
> University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign
> liberationecology.org
> 518 567 7407
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