permaculture

[Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>]

http://www.iata.org/pressroom/facts_figures/fact_sheets/pages/environment.aspx


http://www.seat61.com/CO2flights.htm


http://environment.about.com/od/greenlivingdesign/a/fly_vs_drive.htm


Though plane flight creates significantly more carbon footprint, I am not 
completely opposed to using planes - it really depends on whether or not what 
you're doing is going to significantly offset the use. What if the trip would 
lower pollution and land abuse over the long term, at significant gain? I 
think it's ridiculous to question the use of planes by people like Darren 
Doherty, for instance, when he is planting thousands of trees or revitilizing 
significant acreage in a way that could last for generations. 

I prefer trains myself whenever possible - quite comfortable, you can walk 
around on them, and I can catch up on all the reading I might otherwise never 
get around to. Plus in some areas, the scenery is fabulous. I saw my first 
bald eagle in flight riding in a train through a remote wilderness area. He 
flew right alongside my window for a bit.

Koreen Brennan

www.growpermaculture.com
www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
www.meetup.com/createclearwater


________________________________
 From: Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net>
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
 
I hope that people don't travel to an event like this by air.   If 
people are too busy to take the bus or train, then they shouldn't go.

I think we ought to be careful about what structures we set up in 
permaculture.  If we set up structures that encourage people to do evil 
-- such as financially support the airline industry which is one of the 
major contributors to global warming emissions -- then we aren't doing 
permaculture.

Attempting to use permaculture for a bad end is always a type 1 error.  
Since the journey is as important as the destination, indeed, it might 
be said that the direction and method of the journey is the definition 
of the end, we need to be careful and cautious about the means we choose 
to achieve our ends, lest our ends be distorted beyond recognition.

Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City

On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM, Michael Pilarski wrote:
> Some of us have thought about, and talked about, a North American PC 
> Convergence at some length.  Much of it not on the list serve.
>
> I have proposed that the national be rotated around between the regional 
> convergences already happening.  Still waiting to hear if any regions want 
> to volunteer to do the first one.
>
> Another scenario is for a consortium of organizers from different 
> bioregions to come together to organize the national.  The more regions 
> represented the better.
>
> In the first scenario the national would rotate around the country sometime 
> on the coasts sometimes in the middle, etc.
>
> In the 2nd scenario a location could be picked relatively central to the 
> country.  Ideally with good access to a big airport and even more important 
> (I think) on a major Amtrak rail hub.  Another criteria would be an active 
> local permaculture group to help do the local work needed.
>
> Chicago is a great railroad hub but doesn't have a strong permie group (to 
> my knowledge).  Cincinnati, Denver? Bloomington, Indiana? Ideas? At this 
> point any good offer by a strong group can be put forward.
>
> I imagine that in every region there would be a few or a dozen people who 
> would work to make it happen.
>
> Lead time.  6 months would be good.  3 months minimum.  The networks are 
> fast these days.
>
> It seems like part of the goal would be to bring a lot of the movement 
> old-timers together along with a lot of the course teachers and the new 
> blood.
>
> The main purposes being to build the movement, exchange strategies, build 
> networks etc.  Not permaculture 101 how to do a sheet mulch.
>
> A few thoughts.
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
>
> Michael Pilarski
>
> --- On Fri, 8/10/12, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Friday, August 10, 2012, 4:39 PM
>
> What time frame are we looking at? When would we want to do this? I have 
> reached out to some on the rez and they have expressed interest.
>  
> Koreen Brennan
>
> www.growpermaculture.com
> www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> www.meetup.com/createclearwater
>
>
> ________________________________
>   From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:13 PM
> Subject: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
>  
> Nth American Convergence...keep the ball rolling before the moss takes
> over. Shall we pursue the options suggested for the venue being in
> Dakota...can we have more detailed information on this possible scenario to
> see if it can be developed to reality.
>
> This subject  / event is mooted as a Nth American Conference NOT a national
> USA Conference for the fact of building up the Continental Regional network
> to form part of the continental regions of the world as a sub group of the
> international convergence (IPC)..Steve Hart
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Nth American Continental , National and Regional Conference

Cory Bob Skeeta  et al...great work guys...I reckon just call it
Cory...seems you will get all the support you will need. Sure there will be
criticism but that's the reality of the anarchistic family we are part
of...and its all goood...after all, the negative is the positive the
problem is the solution ...right ?

Pine Ridge rings real big positive bells in my consciousness....it would
have so much meaning and this could be part of the aims and objectives.
Perhaps a prior PDC of 3 wks at PR could set the tone...when does the cold
recede..spring ? April ? when is best planting time ? so April/May 2013
could work and not compete with Cuba but be a good energy to lead into
Cuba. I may even consider attending myself enroute to Cuba ? As I mentioned
to Skeeta I have a cousin who owns a ranch in NE Montana just outside the
small town of Outlook...Ken Hart, ex rodeo champ. My grandfather was born
in Kicking Horse pass in the middle of the rockies betwn Calgary and
Vancouver his mum was a blackfoot indian...so its overdue to do a little of
that family reconnection along with the PC family cross pollination.

Did you use another name instead of reservation...perhaps this could be
energised as well..reservation to many has a lot of negative connotations
and its time for change...in many ways. Reminds me of the early days of
waste recycling campaigns...we changed the name of dumps and tips to
Resource Recovery Parks...there is a lot in a name as Apple and Google and
Virgin show us.

The survey sounds like a smart move as does buses and trains. But, Bob, are
we being conned by the petrochem industry. After all they are in bed with
Monsanto aren't they or one in the same ? And, yes, most of all a tree
planting action....put out a species list for every participant to bring at
least five of in order to be accepted as a participant. Also create that
hands on part of the course to actually show something for our energies.
Leaving something positive and tactile behind as a statement of respect,
gratitude and thanks..

Could it be a regional national and continental conference all in one ?
Would set a great precedence and get around the clambering of overlapping
events that could look to occur in this revitalised agenda of networks
connecting. Then we may get a good mix of participants those that want the
regional, those the national and then the continemtal to lead into the
international in Cuba...wow..cross pollination in the Dakotas ?

go hard guys..Steve Hart

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Bob Waldrop <bob@bobwaldrop.net> wrote:

> I hope that people don't travel to an event like this by air.   If
> people are too busy to take the bus or train, then they shouldn't go.
>
> I think we ought to be careful about what structures we set up in
> permaculture.  If we set up structures that encourage people to do evil
> -- such as financially support the airline industry which is one of the
> major contributors to global warming emissions -- then we aren't doing
> permaculture.
>
> Attempting to use permaculture for a bad end is always a type 1 error.
> Since the journey is as important as the destination, indeed, it might
> be said that the direction and method of the journey is the definition
> of the end, we need to be careful and cautious about the means we choose
> to achieve our ends, lest our ends be distorted beyond recognition.
>
> Bob Waldrop, Oklahoma City
>
> On 8/10/2012 8:41 PM, Michael Pilarski wrote:
> > Some of us have thought about, and talked about, a North American PC
> Convergence at some length.  Much of it not on the list serve.
> >
> > I have proposed that the national be rotated around between the regional
> convergences already happening.  Still waiting to hear if any regions want
> to volunteer to do the first one.
> >
> > Another scenario is for a consortium of organizers from different
> bioregions to come together to organize the national.  The more regions
> represented the better.
> >
> > In the first scenario the national would rotate around the country
> sometime on the coasts sometimes in the middle, etc.
> >
> > In the 2nd scenario a location could be picked relatively central to the
> country.  Ideally with good access to a big airport and even more important
> (I think) on a major Amtrak rail hub.  Another criteria would be an active
> local permaculture group to help do the local work needed.
> >
> > Chicago is a great railroad hub but doesn't have a strong permie group
> (to my knowledge).  Cincinnati, Denver? Bloomington, Indiana? Ideas? At
> this point any good offer by a strong group can be put forward.
> >
> > I imagine that in every region there would be a few or a dozen people
> who would work to make it happen.
> >
> > Lead time.  6 months would be good.  3 months minimum.  The networks are
> fast these days.
> >
> > It seems like part of the goal would be to bring a lot of the movement
> old-timers together along with a lot of the course teachers and the new
> blood.
> >
> > The main purposes being to build the movement, exchange strategies,
> build networks etc.  Not permaculture 101 how to do a sheet mulch.
> >
> > A few thoughts.
> >
> > Michael Pilarski
> >
> >
> > Michael Pilarski
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/10/12, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
> > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Friday, August 10, 2012, 4:39 PM
> >
> > What time frame are we looking at? When would we want to do this? I have
> reached out to some on the rez and they have expressed interest.
> >
> > Koreen Brennan
> >
> > www.growpermaculture.com
> > www.meetup.com/sustainable-urban-agriculture-coalition
> > www.meetup.com/createclearwater
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >   From: Steve Hart <stevenlawrencehart@gmail.com>
> > To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
> > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2012 6:13 PM
> > Subject: [permaculture] Nth American Conference
> >
> > Nth American Convergence...keep the ball rolling before the moss takes
> > over. Shall we pursue the options suggested for the venue being in
> > Dakota...can we have more detailed information on this possible scenario
> to
> > see if it can be developed to reality.
> >
> > This subject  / event is mooted as a Nth American Conference NOT a
> national
> > USA Conference for the fact of building up the Continental Regional
> network
> > to form part of the continental regions of the world as a sub group of
> the
> > international convergence (IPC)..Steve Hart
> > _______________________________________________
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