permaculture

["Felicity Wright" <flickwright@ozemail.com.au>]

Love your work Toby and Lawrence and appreciate your responses and did
a bit of LMFAO - but
.....

why give a fossil fuel stoked fire any further oxygen? 
this kind of provocative, nonsensical shite is just a big waste of
time. let's get designing and networking and community building and
gardening and find the solutions in our problems
peace flick 

 
 Felicity Wright Management Advisor Live & Learn Cambodia +855 (0) 77
319 018 skype: flick.wright 

----- Original Message -----
From: "permaculture" 
To:"permaculture" 
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Sent:Thu, 3 May 2012 17:36:03 -0700
Subject:Re: [permaculture] Maintaining the standards of permaculture -
important issues

 On May 3, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Oystein Tandberg wrote:

 > :-) Thank you, Toby, for your kind reply - you produce NO arguments
though

 There are a few in there, if you know what an argument is. These
sites, however, produce no relevant arguments.

 > 1. Destructive man made climate change -
http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/

 This website is a superb example of the same old pseudoscientific
soundbite ambiguities, distortions, and a few outright lies, that have
been shown to be false over and over again. Zombie arguments: why
won't they die? Their point amounts to "climate is always changing."
It is designed to influence the ignorant. It's not worth my time to
make the same corrections that have been made by good scientists
hundreds of times, but there are about 400 websites out there that
cite research data (instead of stories, like that website) that
specifically refute this garbage. With all that out there, you have to
be working hard not to have these falsehoods corrected.
 > 
 > 2 Overpopulation - http://overpopulationisamyth.com/

 What a smokescreen. For example, they say we have enough food. Yes,
we do, for now, but that is a typical distraction that hides the real
issue. Their argument, "we are producing more food now on less land"
is just stupid--it's because of oil, which is non-renewable, and it's
really sick food that causes obesity, diabetes and heart disease,
grown at a terrible ecological cost. No problem there! The site is
full of poor or "inside a small box" thinking like that. Their main
argument, another distraction, is that overpopulation is not the cause
of poverty, disease, and war. Well, duh. But to then conclude that a
large population doesn't cause problems is really bad reasoning. The
true problem with a large human population is its ecological
consequences and overexploitation of resources which then cause
collapse of both the human and non-human realm (it's happened many
times), which they completely ignore. 

 And, I had to laugh when they wriggled out of it all by stating that
population will soon begin to drop, anyway, which tells me that in
their hearts they know that it is indeed a problem, but we don't need
to worry about it because it will be naturally checked (uh, by running
out of food?). Really poor thinking.

 I've already agreed that a healthy organism is much less likely to
succumb to infection. The arguers try to make a sensational story out
of nothing, relying for it on the layperson's confusion around the
many meanings of "cause," which has vexed philosophers for 2500 years
(same with the population website: what "causes" poverty?). They
aren't saying anything that a virologist would disagree with, but the
bottom line is that without an infectious agent, there will be no
infection. Yes, people in good health rarely get sick (circular
reasoning?). Healthy tissue resists infection. Poor health causes
infection. Viruses cause infection. All are true, they just use the
concept of "cause" differently. This is immediately apparent if you
ever studied logic or philosophy. Apparently, few have. 

 I'll stop there, because the lame excuses for thinking on these sites
are really just awful and a waste of my time, although it's always fun
to wade into the garbage pits on the internet. But that people fall
for it makes me sad. 

 Toby
 > 
 > 3. Viruses - http://www.virusmyth.org/ 
 > 
 > 4. Pasteur - http://www.whale.to/a/lost_history_of_medicine.html 
 > 
 > best regards
 > Øystein 
 > 
 > 
 > 

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