permaculture

[Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>]

Well, there has to be an interface between the organic and the inorganic.  
And it stands to reason that the line dividing the two is more or less 
arbitrarily drawn by the human mind.  In fact, there is no reason to assume 
that Nature sees itself in the same dualistic terms as humans view Nature.  
Nature does not see itself at all, it is.  So are we. That is the basic step 
science cannot take.

--- On Sat, 1/14/12, John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net> wrote:

> From: John D'hondt <dhondt@eircom.net>
> Subject: Re: [permaculture] Question for Toby and anyone else interested.
> To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 11:00 PM
> 
>  But in my non-scientific moments I consider the Earth to
> be alive, too. At 
> least we should be treating it that way.
> 
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
> 
> 
> I think that the idea that the planet is alive is even
> tenable 
> scientifically since many of the components of the planet
> were formed and 
> are maintained by life forces. Also because the inter-
> relations with feed 
> back loops of millions of different species of organism are
> so complex that 
> it is simplistic to state the whole is not alive when we
> are not always even 
> sure how to define "life" in the first place. (for instance
> is a virus 
> alive?)
> What makes it difficult for us is the difference in process
> speed of a human 
> life and of the planet as a whole. Compared to the life
> span of the planet 
> us humans are completely insignificant even with all the
> damage we have done 
> in such a very short time. "Proof" of Gaia being alive
> would be if the 
> planet spits humans out and goes on without us sometime in
> the future.
> john 
> 
> 
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