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- From: Dieter Brand <diebrand@yahoo.com>
- To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
- Subject: Re: [permaculture] Biochar
- Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 02:12:10 -0800 (PST)
Toby,
If we accept the view that plants only feed by receiving free ions, then what
you say makes sense, but in that case there is no point of going to all the
trouble of maintaining a soil biology; in fact, we might as well feed the
plants directly with water-soluble fertilizers. Nevertheless, I think even
mainstream soil scientists do not deny that plants can also absorb
macromolecules or even entire proteins or bacteria. If we understand that,
maintaining soil biology becomes tremendously important and organic farming
becomes an urgent necessity.
To define humus as a medium for maintaining CEC is the reductionist view of
the chemist. Humus does much more. Firstly it breaks down OM. Why would
the microbes that specialize in breaking down OM need to live in charcoal
apartment buildings? To live and work in different places is an idea of homo
sapiens – and a fairly recent one at that. The breaking-down microbes need
to live and work in the OM.
Next, why would the microbes that got fat on the OM have to hide in those
charcoal apartment buildings? They are not supposed to hide anywhere; on the
contrary, they are supposed to be eaten by protozoa, nematodes and other
predators that produce the substances necessary for plant growth.
And finally, why should the microbes and fungi that colonize the plant roots
to feed the plants want to live in the charcoal apartment buildings? That is
not where they are supposed to be. They are supposed to colonize the plant
roots, or else they cannot feed the plants.
So what type of microbes needs to live in those charcoal apartment buildings
at what stage of decomposition, transformation or plant growth and for what
purpose? Each soil organism has a precise place and time of action. Once
that action has been accomplished they make way for something else. Simply
to say there are more microbes is not significant.
Microbes like all other soil organisms are part of humus. They are not
separate from humus. They become humus when they die and humus becomes
microbes when it is eaten by microbes. At one time the soil is teeming with
some types of microbes and at another time there are hardly any at all
because there is nothing for them to do. Then a certain type of microbe
suddenly proliferates as a result of some work needing to be done:
decomposing OM, hunting bacteria, feeding plants in spring, etc. I can’t see
what the precise function of charcoal is in all of this activity.
Humus, like life, is a dynamic process and not a static substance. In the
cycle of life, the idea of a stable substance has no place or function –
there is only change.
Dieter
--- On Fri, 11/18/11, Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com> wrote:
> First, here's why biochar can house microbes and not break
> down. Microbes colonize surfaces. They do not always eat the
> surfaces they colonize. When they colonize gravel in reed
> beds, they don't eat the gravel. (Cred here: I ran a
> microbiology lab at a large biotech company. We used to
> colonize inert surfaces with microbes all the time, like
> porcelain and carbon fiber. They didn't eat it.)
>
> I'm seeing a fundamental confusion between the roles of
> humus and biochar here that I hope to clear up. Humus feeds
> plants and microbes in two different ways, while biochar
> feeds them in only one way. They both house microbes.
> The first way humus feeds is by its ability to hold cations:
> positively charged nutrient ions such as calcium, iron, etc.
> These cations are not part of the humus; they are
> hydrogen-bonded to the oxygen atoms on the humus. The
> cations are donated to the plant or microbe, and are
> recharged (returned) to the humus by the breakdown of other
> organic matter. When organisms eat cations, the humus
> remains unchanged.
>
> The other way microbes (not plants) are fed by humus is
> when the microbes break down the humus itself, extracting
> energy and carbon from the humus. This results in
> degradation and loss of humus. New humus must be formed by a
> constant supply of new organic matter. Humus is always
> breaking down in this way, sometimes slowly if there is
> ample OM or few microbes, but fast if there is a lack of OM.
> That's part of why OM must be constantly added to soil.
> Biochar lasts far longer than humus in soil where there is
> microbial feeding. Humus is not as good a carbon sink as
> biochar.
>
> Next, biochar holds minerals in two ways. They can be
> directly adsorbed onto the surface, and since it has so much
> surface, it can hold a lot of minerals.. Also, although the
> carbon in it is positively charged, and thus won't bond to
> other +-charged cations, it raises CEC by adsorbing
> negatively charged substances in the soil, which then bond
> to cation nutrients. This is documented. It then releases
> the bound nutrients to microbes and plants the way humus
> does--and thus doesn't break down, just as humus does not in
> these cases. It also houses microbes but does not itself
> feed them carbon; the carbon has been largely stripped of
> the type of bond needed to fuel microbes. Charcoal alone
> will not feed microbes or plants. There must be other OM
> present. This is why I am puzzled by this argument. Charcoal
> and OM work together, it is not a case of one or the other.
> Biochar provides a long-lasting carbon storage, unlike
> humus. And OM provides the food.
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Michael Pilarski, 11/17/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Biochar, Cory Brennan, 11/17/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
John D'hondt, 11/18/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Toby Hemenway, 11/18/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Biochar, Robyn Francis, 11/18/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
John D'hondt, 11/18/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Dieter Brand, 11/18/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
John D'hondt, 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Dieter Brand, 11/19/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Biochar, John D'hondt, 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Dieter Brand, 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
John D'hondt, 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Dieter Brand, 11/18/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Dieter Brand, 11/19/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Biochar, Dieter Brand, 11/19/2011
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[permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?,
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Re: [permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?,
Dieter Brand, 11/19/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?, John D'hondt, 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 11/19/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?, Lawrence F. London, Jr., 11/20/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?,
Dieter Brand, 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Growing algae in irrigation water?,
Lawrence F. London, Jr., 11/19/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Toby Hemenway, 11/18/2011
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
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[permaculture] Biochar,
Dieter Brand, 11/17/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Toby Hemenway, 11/17/2011
- Re: [permaculture] Biochar, Dieter Brand, 11/18/2011
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Re: [permaculture] Biochar,
Toby Hemenway, 11/17/2011
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