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  • From: Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com>
  • To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
  • Subject: Re: [permaculture] Perennial Nonedible Oilseeds
  • Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:14:05 -0800 (PST)

This is interesting!  Are they in a microclimate of any kind? Protected by
other trees? how much rain? I'd like to try some in our Zone 4.

--- On Wed, 3/9/11, mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com> wrote:

From: mIEKAL aND <qazingulaza@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Perennial Nonedible Oilseeds
To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 3:40 PM

I'll be planting up to a 1/2 acre of paw paw & I'm in hardcore zone 4.
I've got a very small test planting that's actually ripening fruit,
make it thru south of -30F, & the trees have been around for about 8
years.

~mIEKAL

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Douglas Woodard <dwoodard@becon.org> wrote:
> For USDA zone 4 I don't think persimmon or pawpaw are a practical
> proposition due to lack of coldhardiness and unreliable production.
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Have you checked out the Land Institute's work with prairie grasses as
sources of fuel? Though I personally am more interested in the bacteria into
fuel technology someone recently told me about. That way no need to tear up
prairies, etc. 
C

--- On Wed, 3/9/11, Jay Woods <woodsjay@cox.net> wrote:

From: Jay Woods <woodsjay@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Perennial Nonedible Oilseeds
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Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 11:00 AM

I was interested in using the oils for fuel and had no interest in
competing against food uses.

Aster seed (I am reminded) have a non-edible oil in them although the
seed is small and difficult to harvest/clean.

On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 09:15:10 am Toby Hemenway wrote:
> Illinois bundleflower?

The bundleflower looks interesting as it also is a nitrogen fixer.

> And Wes Jackson is also growing Maximilian
> sunflower in Kansas, but that may be zone 5. Both have significant
> quantities of oil. Most indigenous people in the frozen north get
> their oil from animals.
>
> Toby
> http://patternliteracy.com
>
> On Mar 9, 2011, at 6:52 AM, Jay Woods wrote:
> > I've just realized that I don't know of a single one good for zone
> > 4 or colder. The closest thing to this that I do know is the seeds
> > of most fruits such as apple, pear, peach and apricot have a small
> > amount of oil and the seeds themselves are inedible because of the
> > cyanide content.

The cyanide is not poisonous in small quantities. Furthermore, since the
actual compounds are water soluble, they is not likely to end up in the
oil. That makes the oils edible and thus not to be used for my purpose.

> > The composition of persimmon and pawpaw seeds
> > needs to be checked on.

Author: Matsu, T.
Title: Studies on the utilization of pawpaw Asimina triloba seeds as a
source of edible seed oil Defatted seed meal available as feedstuff.
Source: Meiji-Daigaku-Nogaku-bu-Kenkyu-Hokoku-Bull-Fac-Agric-Meiji-Univ.
Kanagawa, The Faculty. Aug 1980. (52) p. 43-53. ill.

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my plantings are on ridges... much longer season than the valley.. but
it's also the variety (PA Golden) that I'm growing... I got my seed
many years ago from John Gordon ( http://www.nuttreesnorth.com/) &
also just found out about a couple other short season varieties that
I'll probably trial

I had never had a pawpaw before & was thinking it was solidly in the
acquired taste category but I was completely delighted with how they
taste, sorta mango banana pudding if one had to reduce it to a common
reference.

the seeds are encased in a kind of gel, extracting oil take a good bit
of processing

~mIEKAL

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Cory Brennan <cory8570@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is interesting!  Are they in a microclimate of any kind? Protected by
> other trees? how much rain? I'd like to try some in our Zone 4.




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