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[Ray Cirino <cobanation@yahoo.com>]

Dear Lawrence,
Not everyone have rocket junk yards and the largest waste stream in the world 
to 
pick from, so I do have a great advantage as I tinker with cleaning fire. My 
biggest problem is the metal is too thin. In a coastal region it's done in a 
year if left outside. I lived in Miami and car rust in a year along the 
coast. 
As their performance, I haven't used them yet, but by the look of them I'd 
like 
to see a few design changes.
Regards,
Ray
 The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the very opportunities 
that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and Spiritual 
Sustainability.




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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 11:51:11 PM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The New Rocket Oven Workshop - Start to Finish

On 2/13/2011 2:56 PM, Ray Cirino wrote:
> The New Rocket Oven Workshop
>                        S t a r t   t o   f i n i s h
>
> What: A start to finish workshop series that will teach you the mechanics of
> rockets stoves, basics of oven construction, cob building, and earthen
> plastering.  We will complete the series by firing up the rocket oven and 
>having
> a pizza party.
>
>   When:  Series of 6 workshops starting Sat. Feb 19 - Sun. March 6.  Pizza 
part
> and firing party on March 19 available for free to all students.

> Must RSVP to attend this workshop.
> Please contact cobanation@yahoo.com
> Call: Ray 818-834-7074
> Work trades and student scholarships available.   The Great Challenges we 
> now
> face as a species present the very opportunities that are giving birth to
> Ecological, Psychological, and Spiritual Sustainability.

Ray:

How do you rate these rocket stoves?

http://www.stovetec.net/us/index.php

http://www.stovetec.net/us/stove-products/stovetec-stoves

Particularly this one:

http://www.stovetec.net/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=35

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On 2/15/2011 11:07 AM, Ray Cirino wrote:
> Dear Lawrence,
> Not everyone have rocket junk yards and the largest waste stream in the 
> world to
> pick from, so I do have a great advantage as I tinker with cleaning fire. My
> biggest problem is the metal is too thin. In a coastal region it's done in a
> year if left outside. I lived in Miami and car rust in a year along the 
> coast.
> As their performance, I haven't used them yet, but by the look of them I'd 
> like
> to see a few design changes.
> Regards,
> Ray

Thanks very much for your reply, Ray. I follow your activities on FB 
with great interest and really enjoy the pix galleries.
I agree about stove made out of recycled barrels and cans; thin metal + 
heat + water don't mix and allow longevity of the device. Can you direct 
me to proven plans for a small rocket stove that is extremely clean 
burning that I can build myself? I have my own junkyard and equipment, 
similar to yours so could fabricate something I can use every day. I 
need something to cook on and heat water for washing and cooking but it 
needs to not put toxic smoke with carbon monoxide in my face. I can just 
barely live with a small propane stove
(cast iron, single burner, used out of doors only) that runs off a 20lb. 
propane cylinder. If I can build a wood burning rocket stove
that frees me from carbon monoxide pollution I will be in business.
I am paying, year round $100-$350 per month for electricity plus as much 
as $40 a month for propane used for cooking. I need to reduce these 
expenses while adequately providing for my cooking and hot water needs. 
I am resigned to using a superinsulated 45 gallon electric hot water 
heater (which I already have, a new one bought from HD)
as a backup but I think I can still significantly reduce my monthly 
energy expenses. Now if I can go a few steps further maybe I can gain 
some space heat for my house too if that's not asking for too much.
It this point I have no less than five welded steel woodstoves sitting 
around unused because I can't deal with smoke and carbon monoxide (prime 
example: creosote condensed on the inside of the stove doors burning off 
and releasing toxic fumes and tons of CM indoors convinced me to not use 
wood stoves any more) they invariably emit indoors if used for house 
heat. I have 3 Fishers, 1 Timberline, 1 Virginian.
Any leads to plans and advice from anyone would be much appreciated.

Cheers from a smokeless environment,

Lawrence