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[Ray Cirino <cobanation@yahoo.com>]

Dear Lawrence,
There are so many fun ways to solve your problems. First look up Industrial 
air 
conditioning and heating companies. Some A.C. 's have stainless coils you can 
build a rocket stove around. The best way to go is build an oven like the one 
we 
are building that can pump it's clean hot air out into your home through an 
insulated duct, powered by a steam turbine that cleans the exhaust at the 
same 
time. Hot rocks are big fun in a rocket stove you can pull out and bring in 
your 
house after you cook on them. It's an endless idea stream once you get 
hooked. 
Wait for the youtube video we are filming to see all the ways to go.
Ray
 The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the very opportunities 
that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and Spiritual 
Sustainability.




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From: "Lawrence F. London, Jr." <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 8:42:32 AM
Subject: Re: [permaculture] The New Rocket Oven Workshop - Start to Finish

On 2/15/2011 11:07 AM, Ray Cirino wrote:
> Dear Lawrence,
> Not everyone have rocket junk yards and the largest waste stream in the 
> world 
>to
> pick from, so I do have a great advantage as I tinker with cleaning fire. My
> biggest problem is the metal is too thin. In a coastal region it's done in a
> year if left outside. I lived in Miami and car rust in a year along the 
> coast.
> As their performance, I haven't used them yet, but by the look of them I'd 
like
> to see a few design changes.
> Regards,
> Ray

Thanks very much for your reply, Ray. I follow your activities on FB with 
great 
interest and really enjoy the pix galleries.
I agree about stove made out of recycled barrels and cans; thin metal + heat 
+ 
water don't mix and allow longevity of the device. Can you direct me to 
proven 
plans for a small rocket stove that is extremely clean burning that I can 
build 
myself? I have my own junkyard and equipment, similar to yours so could 
fabricate something I can use every day. I need something to cook on and heat 
water for washing and cooking but it needs to not put toxic smoke with carbon 
monoxide in my face. I can just barely live with a small propane stove
(cast iron, single burner, used out of doors only) that runs off a 20lb. 
propane 
cylinder. If I can build a wood burning rocket stove
that frees me from carbon monoxide pollution I will be in business.
I am paying, year round $100-$350 per month for electricity plus as much as 
$40 
a month for propane used for cooking. I need to reduce these expenses while 
adequately providing for my cooking and hot water needs. I am resigned to 
using 
a superinsulated 45 gallon electric hot water heater (which I already have, a 
new one bought from HD)
as a backup but I think I can still significantly reduce my monthly energy 
expenses. Now if I can go a few steps further maybe I can gain some space 
heat 
for my house too if that's not asking for too much.
It this point I have no less than five welded steel woodstoves sitting around 
unused because I can't deal with smoke and carbon monoxide (prime example: 
creosote condensed on the inside of the stove doors burning off and releasing 
toxic fumes and tons of CM indoors convinced me to not use wood stoves any 
more) 
they invariably emit indoors if used for house heat. I have 3 Fishers, 1 
Timberline, 1 Virginian.
Any leads to plans and advice from anyone would be much appreciated.

Cheers from a smokeless environment,

Lawrence
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [GWL] Looking for experts in water-efficient landscape design
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:12:39 -0500
From: Linda McIntyre <linda.mcintyre@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Garden Writers -- GWL -- The Garden Writers Forum 
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I'm working on an article about water-efficient residential landscapes and
am looking for suggestions for good contacts in these areas:

-- drought-tolerant planting palettes
-- rain garden design
-- grading and drainage to manage rainfall on residential lots

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions!

Linda McIntyre
Washington DC
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