permaculture

["Scott Pittman" <scott@permaculture.org>]

Larry,
In spite of being the subject of a lot of dissention I think it is a mistake
to remove anyone from the list at this time.  While I would wish for a
different mode of discourse, I also understand that many in our group
operate in another way.  It my be unpleasant to me but their voice does need
to be heard and I have incredible thick skin after 70 years of dealing with
this type of communication from beauracrats, educators, politicians, and top
sargeants. ( I never mentioned that I spent 4 years in the military )

I am asking that you reconsider your action.

Best Regards,

Scott Pittman
Director
Permaculture Institute
www.permaculture.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence London [mailto:lfljvenaura@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 12:08 PM
To: permaculture
Subject: Re: [permaculture] Enough, ......Genug, ........Basta,
........Bastamante, ...........Goodbye, .......Fairwell, .........Best
Wishes

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Dick Pierce
<dickpiercedesigns@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Good luck to all who frequent/contribute/comment on this listserve. Good
> luck and God-speed to all the wonderful Permaculture teachers,
> practitioners, advocates who daily take this vital movement forward in
> thoughts and deeds and legacies - bless you all for what you do in the
> world
> and on the ground. Thanks also to the real Permaculture Icons that comment
> on this list from time to time - Toby Heminway coming to mind as one of
> these.
>
> My next act after sending this email is to unsubscribe from this list. I
> hope that I'll get enough PC info and insight from other lists such as the
> W-MA PC-Guild and and AustiPerm, and other more-focused and civil list
> sites. I'm not asking you to stop what you are doing, I'm just concluding
> not to participate and get my info elsewhere.


I really hope you don't follow through with this. I regard you as one of the
most valuable contributors to the list.
We need you here. If you leave, the message archives will not be accessable
to you [see below].

I was being too lenient allowing certain subscribers to go ahead an do their
thing,
resulting in the conflagration you objected to, as did many others. I took a
chance
hoping that noone would unsubscribe. This time there will be no further
disruptions from those four
who are now banned permanently from the forum. They will not benefit from
the public archives either as I have
changed them to private, viewable only by subscribers. I trusted them and
they let me down. I feel that they were
intent on damaging this forum from the beginning. When I reflect on the
thousands of hours I have put into this list since I started it in 1992
and its level of usefulness to so many now I am very disappointed that so
few can do so much damage to a great forum such as this,
for no other reason than spite, pomposity and selfishness. This will never
happen again. I apologize for anything I may have contributed to
the problem, including my off topic posts about the military. I had a
feeling I should have put those responsible for this situation on moderation
or should have suspended them from the list long ago, but I didn't and am
now paying the price. Never again.

This permaculture list is now a private one. It is about permaculture and
nothing else, no politics, no religion; human rights and ethics are OK as
long
as there is a permaculture connection, i.e. use of permaculture to help
folks, as in the case of PC training for National Guard units, aid, relief,
missionary or consultancy work.
The archives are not viewable by the public and Google will not be able to
search them.
Subscribers may read them by logging in with their user name and password.
Instructions for retrieving your password in case you
have lost it are on the list homepage:
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture. If after reading
those instructions you still
can;'t access the archives then email me for help.

I hope to revert back to having public archives again eventually, sooner
rather than later, hopefully.

LL