permaculture

[Rain Tenaqiya <raincascadia@yahoo.com>]

While it does sometimes get nasty and extreme, I have been impressed with the 
willingness of some of the people on this list to continue the dialogue 
surrounding the National Guard training.  I have been learning and enjoying 
myself the whole time.  I applaud those that have persevered as it much 
easier to say "Fuck you!" and drop out than it is to continue to stay open 
and in relationship.  Everyone has flaws and there is no one right way to 
practice permaculture, but by staying open and considering what we hear from 
others, we have a better chance of being a beneficial force in the world.
 
Thanks for staying engaged,
 
Rain



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Lawrence,

Some of the folks at permies.com did set up a wiki.  And then it sorta
didn't go anywhere.

And then the other day I was contacted by the appropedia folks and I
went out to their site - they seem to have a lot of content there now.
And my SEO tools say "they're doing really good."  And then I said
"yeah - but this is all wrong ..." and within a couple of hours they
fixed everything I could think of to whine about.

So now I've gone out there and created a few links, added some content
....  I'm feeling pretty good about them.  I'm hoping to have some
back-and-forth tie in between appropedia and the permies.com forums.

Naturally, I encourage a big ole link fest to everything from
permies.com.  (well, everything permaculture related)

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr.
<venaurafarm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Forum subscribers:
>
> I am forwarding to the list email I received today from Pietro Galgani
> expressing interest in the work a number of us have been involved with over
> the years in creating an interactive online permaculture knowledgebase. His
> own work can be seen at http://ie.tudelft.nl,
> The Industrial Ecology Wiki.
>
> Is anyone in this list still interested in developing a permaculture
> knowledgebase or database? Options immediately at hand for our use include
> either http://permaculture.info
> The Permaculture Information Web (a MediaWiki) or permaculture plant-animal
> relationships & guilds database run by The Permaculture Institute
> and managed by Rich Morris, webmaster of PFAF,
> and/or http://ibiblio.org/permaculture where I have an installation of
> MediaWiki + Semantic Mediawiki and Wordpress.
>
> I would like to get these projects going, i.e. revived and moving forward.
> At the same time I think it would behoove us to have a look at all of or a
> goodly sampling of similar projects currently in development so we can 1)
> use them to best advantage 2) link them together (somehow this is where the
> Semantic Web comes into play).
> Interesting site we might want to consider participating in include:
>
> Pietro's Industrial Ecology Wiki
> http://ie.tudelft.nl
> Permaculture Information Web
> http://permaculture.info
> Appropedia (Chris Watkins)
> http://appropedia.org
>
> Others in development:
> - Paul Wheaton mentioned creating a wiki; status of this project?
> Eventually, my projects at ibiblio using MediaWiki, Semantic MediaWiki,
> Wordpress; I hope to add BBPress and SMF Forums also.
> http://ibiblio.org/permaculture
> http://ibiblio.org/marketfarming
>
> Please suggest more high priority sites to add to this list.
>
> ...:LL
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:        semantic wiki on permaculture?
> Date:   Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:49:50 +0200
> From:   Pietro Galgani <peppox@hotmail.com>
> To:     <venaurafarm@bellsouth.net>
>
> Hi
> I stumbled upon a forum thread on permies.com about a plant database for
> permacultural designer, and I found it very interesting, as I've been
> thinking about exactly the same thing for the last 4-5 months.
> I'm studying in the Netherlands in a MSc in Industrial Ecology. It's a
> science which was born less than 20 yrs ago that studies sustainability
> form a complex system perspective. In the past year I've learned (among
> other things) about permacultural design and about the Semantic web, and I
> couldn't help but connecting the two things together. with my class we did a
> project where we created a wiki-db using mediawiki, semantic mediawiki and
> the semantic forms extension, you can check it out at ie.tudelft.nl. It's a
> very simple db and it's even unfinished, but (apparently) it was presented
> at some proper conference and academics were quite impressed. This is not to
> say how good it was (it was not), but that I really think that the potential
> applications of semantic technologies are beyond our imagination.
> Today i was reading the permaculture manual by mollison and i couldn't
> help thinking: what if everyone's observations,design,guilds could be
> collected in one place that just keeps growing? It could make things so
> crazily easier for any organic farmer with an internet connection!
> But really the potential is even bigger. PC makes a lot of sense
> sustainability-wise, but it's hard to put in practice because it's so
> knowlege intensive. The technology to speed up the information flow is
> there, the expertise too, it could really become as simple as googling a
>  recipe. (ok not quite but still much simpler)-you would still need to get
> your hands dirty and spend time outside, but all the information
> gathering would be just instant.
> I think that the big part of the challenge is to find enough motivated
> people to kickstart a project like the one that was being discussed, but I
> also think that they are around.
> What is going on with those ideas you started discussing in the forum?
> Hope to hear from you soon
>
> Pietro
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