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[Steve Burns <steveburns888@gmail.com>]

I suggest that you email David Holmgren directly at Holmgren Design Services
- I've seen some power points from him where he has presented statistical
comparisons on outputs from his property compared with some other
benchmarks.  They may not be exactly what you are looking for, but could be
useful.

warm regards,

Steve Burns

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Andrew Millison <amillison@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know that there are infinite variables and each project and site has its
> own unique conditions. But there are a lot of numbers that have been
> collected in certain circumstances: Crime rates dropping, gallons of water
> collected, heat units saved after a retrofit. I'm just looking for those
> tidbits of data that many Permaculturists weave into their teaching and
> presenting narratives that they have sources for.
>
> Thanks for the input thus far, I hope to get more
>
> Andrew
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM, David Muhl <dmuhl65@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > There are just way too many variables involved in each of those example
> > statements you listed to just be able to drop a number in and call it
> good.
> >  You may be able to find some reasonably credible sources that could
> throw
> > out a "range" for similar questions, but I think that's the best you can
> > hope for.
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Andrew Millison <amillison@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Andrew Millison <amillison@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [permaculture] Perma-Data needed!
> > > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 11:46 AM
> > > Hello,
> > > I'm putting together a funding proposal for a State agency
> > > who are
> > > requesting Permaculture training for their staff.
> > >
> > > I need to include data in the proposal with *verifiable
> > > sources*. Some
> > > examples of the types of statements I'd like to clarify and
> > > back up are:
> > >
> > > * Intensive garden agriculture is X% more productive per
> > > unit of area than
> > > conventional mechanized field cropping and require X% less
> > > energy/water/dollars to maintain.
> > >
> > > * A building with proper passive solar orientation requires
> > > X% less energy
> > > to heat and cool than a building not oriented for passive
> > > solar.
> > >
> > > * A community with gathering areas/central plaza has X%
> > > less crime than a
> > > neighborhood without gathering areas.
> > >
> > > * A community planted with useful street trees can produce
> > > X$ of economic
> > > value per unit area versus a street planted in non-useful
> > > species.
> > >
> > > Does anyone out there have sources for useful data to make
> > > Permaculture-supporting statements? I'd really appreciate
> > > any input.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Andrew Millison
> > > www.beaverstatepermaculture.com
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