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["Thomas Paul Jahn" <tpj@life.ku.dk>]

Andrew and others.
I am sitting at the University and I am myself in the process of writing a 
grand application for a permaculture project at the faculty. I am well 
familiar with the challanges you describe the benefit of permaculture in 
numbers.
Your list is extremely broad. But to make somekind of start for a list of 
data sources:

The book by Martin Crawford: "Creating a forest garden" is very useful in 
terms of numbers. Both for nutrient efficiency of the system and the 
financial requirements for setting up a garden. He more focusses on 
efficiency than productivity and he is very careful not to say, permaculture 
is MORE productive. But anyway. A very useful book.

The other book I come to think of is David Blume: "Alcohol can be a gas". As 
the title tells, it only looks at alcohol as fuel. But in a very holistic way.

I think the way to go when writing an application is to focus on one or few 
simple and measurable parameter and then include the whole array of other 
benefits as an extra gift. 
cheers
Thomas



>>> Andrew Millison  03-09-10 6:48 >>>
I know that there are infinite variables and each project and site has its
own unique conditions. But there are a lot of numbers that have been
collected in certain circumstances: Crime rates dropping, gallons of water
collected, heat units saved after a retrofit. I'm just looking for those
tidbits of data that many Permaculturists weave into their teaching and
presenting narratives that they have sources for.

Thanks for the input thus far, I hope to get more

Andrew

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 5:01 PM, David Muhl  wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> There are just way too many variables involved in each of those example
> statements you listed to just be able to drop a number in and call it good.
>  You may be able to find some reasonably credible sources that could throw
> out a "range" for similar questions, but I think that's the best you can
> hope for.
>
> David
>
> --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Andrew Millison  wrote:
>
> > From: Andrew Millison 
> > Subject: [permaculture] Perma-Data needed!
> > To: "permaculture" 
> > Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 11:46 AM
> > Hello,
> > I'm putting together a funding proposal for a State agency
> > who are
> > requesting Permaculture training for their staff.
> >
> > I need to include data in the proposal with *verifiable
> > sources*. Some
> > examples of the types of statements I'd like to clarify and
> > back up are:
> >
> > * Intensive garden agriculture is X% more productive per
> > unit of area than
> > conventional mechanized field cropping and require X% less
> > energy/water/dollars to maintain.
> >
> > * A building with proper passive solar orientation requires
> > X% less energy
> > to heat and cool than a building not oriented for passive
> > solar.
> >
> > * A community with gathering areas/central plaza has X%
> > less crime than a
> > neighborhood without gathering areas.
> >
> > * A community planted with useful street trees can produce
> > X$ of economic
> > value per unit area versus a street planted in non-useful
> > species.
> >
> > Does anyone out there have sources for useful data to make
> > Permaculture-supporting statements? I'd really appreciate
> > any input.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andrew Millison
> > www.beaverstatepermaculture.com
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