permaculture

[Scott Vlaun <scott@moosepondarts.com>]

In addition to the electricity and water issues, don't forget the  
embodied energy in the materials and manufacturing of the dishwasher  
to begin with, as well as the disposal of the thing after it breaks  
down. My primary reason for hand washing though, is that you have to  
listen to the thing run when you should be relaxing and digesting.


Scott Vlaun Moose Pond Arts+Ecology Design Solutions for a Sustainable  
Future
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On May 11, 2010, at 1:20 PM, David Muhl wrote:

> Yep, that's where the pre-scrub and perhaps just finishing the job  
> by hand get my vote.  I suppose I should confess that I'm only  
> washing for one.
>
> --- On Tue, 5/11/10, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com> wrote:
>
> > From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] washing dishes: by hand vs. dishwasher
> > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 8:47 AM
> > I think part of it is that you have
> > to first fill the dishwasher
> > before you run it, which could take a few days, which gives
> > food time
> > to get petrified to the dishes.
> >
> > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:37 PM, David Muhl <dmuhl65@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I prefer the hand wash method myself.  In addition to
> > the 15 gallons used by the dishwasher, let's not forget that
> > most people rinse things before they even go into the
> > washer...and if they don't, they should!  Ever go to get a
> > glass or a bowl at a friends house and it still has
> > something stuck to it?  If they're dishwasher folk, it's
> > usually because they didn't pre-rinse.  Dishwashers just
> > can't get to every nook and cranny, and if you're
> > pre-rinsing anyway, it only takes a few extra scrubs to
> > finish the job.  Sanitizing?  Never got sick once from a
> > hand washed cup or plate.  Then there's always the energy
> > used to run the dishwasher.  Can't forget that.
> > > --- On Mon, 5/10/10, paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > From: paul wheaton <paul@richsoil.com>
> > > > Subject: [permaculture] washing dishes: by hand
> > vs. dishwasher
> > > > To: "permaculture" <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > > Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 6:19 PM
> > > > I'm not sure how permie this video
> > > > is, but I made it recently in
> > > > response to a discussion about dishes on
> > permies.com
> > > > Some folks still think that a dishwasher is more
> > efficient
> > > > than
> > > > washing dishes by hand.  I would like to think
> > that
> > > > this video proves
> > > > that washing dishes by hand can be more
> > efficient.
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9kVsnTQh-g
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