permaculture

[sinergyinaction@netscape.net]

 Hi Bruce


thanks for your view on this thread.

I am just thinking that distilled water is now being sold (at least here in 
Spain) as one of the solutions (along with reverse osmosis) one can buy in 
the cities in order to have clean potable water.
Do these distilling devices usually have some equipment within them that 
change the composition of the distilled water in order to make it safe? Since 
otherwise I do not understand how can they have permission to market them, 
especially? after having documents like the WHO's, that Steve Read sent 
earlier, suggesting this kind of water not to be safe in the long run.


 


 Cheers
Antonio


(BTW I think we briefly met each other during APC8 in 2005 down in Melbourne, 
you were in the organizing committee, weren't you?)


-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Zell <bruce@permaculturenq.com.au>
To: 'permaculture' <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:42 am
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water










Hello All

Distilled water might be OK for a while if you were doing a detox or
something but in the long run I don't think its worth the risk. There are a
lot of very subtle tasks that water plays in our bodies in its whole state
and it could be very difficult to detect if minerals etc were being leached
and causing problems. We did some fairly extensive research here in tropical
north Queensland Australia some 25 years ago and we are still drinking
spring water from a mountain side but do plan to put that through a filter
in future. I would go with No 1 below from Toby on this thread

 

1)    one is (Toby's, WHO's) the scientific sort of take, saying (according
to some studies and deduction from nature) that animals and plants don't
usually "drink" distilled water and that distilled water can actually drag?
minerals and other important substances out of? organisms' bodies, thus
depleting them of those vital substances and making them sick in the long
rung if consumed regularly

 

Cheers

Bruce

Zell & Assoc

Permaculture Services North Queensland

 

 

 

 

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[mailto:permaculture-bounces@lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
sinergyinaction@netscape.net
Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2008 6:20 PM
To: permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water

 

 

 

 Hi,

 

interesting discussion here.

 

So Iit seems to me that? there are a couple of different takes on the topic

 

1) one is (Toby's, WHO's) the scientific sort of take, saying (according to
some studies and deduction from nature) that animals and plants don't
usually "drink" distilled water and that distilled water can actually drag?
minerals and other important substances out of? organisms' bodies, thus
depleting them of those vital substances and making them sick in the long
rung if consumed regularly

 

 

 

2) On the other hand there seem to be another trend based on people own
experiences, drinking either evaporated water or even distilled water,
declaring of having done that for years and still being alive and kicking,
not depleted at all. Even Jody declares that from a scientific point of view
(I gather):

 

[Jody's quote] "I have heard many times that drinking distilled water can be
harmful  

BUT I come from a different perspective. I actually study body  

chemistry (includes body pH, but also measures other factors of the  

urine & saliva) and our protocol includes exclusively using distilled  

water. It is considered higher energy water in terms of bringing  

nutrients into the cell. Other waters aren't necessarily bad, but they  

have less ability to transport nutrients that are needed because the  

molecules are already carrying minerals (not necessarily the ones that  

particular body needs to bring in.)

 

This protocol has been used for decades extremely successfully and  

people on it do not experience hair loss, or degenerative diseases  

that are often attributed to distilled water in some other articles  

I've read. The articles I've seen have not been based on scientific  

findings but are conclusions the author came to based on disparate data."

[end of Jody's quote]

 

quite a few people drinking distilled water seem to have benefitted from it
without 

apparently experiencing mayor health problems, accordingto Jody's
experience, which he declares

having some more solid scientific grounds (I am not a scientst by the way!)

SALS3's experience with distilled/evaporated water seems also relevant to
me.

What I find interesting in his view is when he mentions that he (we)
actually obtain most of

our nutrients from the food we eat, so we should be able to compensate their
deficiency in 

water. But according to the WHO's paper, some experiments have shown that
even when animals have

been given approriate food while drinking demineralized water, they have
presented mineral

losses.....

So are these two views contradictory? If not how could they be
reconciliated?

And what about the scientifc position expressed in the WHO paper and the
also scientific stance

expressed by Jody?

Is there something WHO scientists have missed out?

All the best

Antonio

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

 

From: Toby Hemenway <toby@patternliteracy.com>

 

To: permaculture <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>

 

Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 1:52 am

 

Subject: Re: [permaculture] distilled water

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rain water and ice are full of dissolved minerals, organic compounds, 

 

dust, pollen, debris, etc., etc. (see the Designer's Manual on this). 

 

They are not pure water, and a far. far cry from distilled. About the 

 

only occurrence of distilled water in nature is just as water evaporates 

 

from bodies of water and, occasionally, from plants, although most 

 

evapo-transpired water has solutes in it. Within moments, "distilled" 

 

evaporating water picks up all kinds of stuff from its environment. 

 

Ain't no pure in nature.

 

 

 

I don't like city water either. And I agree that stainless and glass 

 

(and maybe fired clay of the right type) are the best vessels for water. 

 

I lived with rainwater catchment for ten years and loved it. But 

 

rainwater is a thick soup compared to distilled.

 

 

 

Toby

 

http://patternliteracy.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SALS3 wrote:

 

> 

 

> the fact that it attracts minerals it don't attract it fills the empty
water 

 

> with pipe and plastic and tells me only use glass for my pure water and 

 

> stainless steal and should show you the above statement that pure water to


 

> me increases water ability to take away wastes.  not pipe because what I
do 

 

> is clean the pipe lead out . that's why when you buy water in plastic 

 

> containers it taste like plastic because the water is pure not because it 

 

> attracts plastic please.  it takes up stuff easy like nutrients and
wastes. 

 

> oh you need to taste the tea it makes.  IMHO rain water you say is pure I 

 

> guess that's not nature.  ice pure also not nature.  hehe  give me a brake
. 

 

> I get my minerals from what I eat and drink not from the water and you are


 

> right so what.  I don't need all the stuff that's in water now days just
to 

 

> get the little good.  .  are you kidding.   anyway to each his own.. to me


 

> water water every where not a drop fit to drink. but mine  lets talk about


 

> all the bad in water .  and most of it is bad.  I get letters from the
water 

 

> company all the time telling me that water I drank last month tested bad. 

 

> how do you undrink last months water after the fact.  I have more doubts 

 

> about what folks call water than pure water.  some folks take the water
out 

 

> of rivers where you can't even see your own hand.  they fix it up make it 

 

> taste like water and give the people that.  I have to try and take all the


 

> stuff they put in out and clean it up and out comes water.  h2o and pure 

 

> water has no taste.  if you make it using only the sun and what a natural 

 

> thing that is . Natures own water.  where the sun draws the water up .
that 

 

> is what rain is and I feel this is even cleaner than rain because rain has


 

> to pass through the air that man has also messed up.  ever hear of acid 

 

> rain.  this water does not attract pipe like a magnet it fills the empty 

 

> space in pure water and the city is so full of junk it can pass through
the 

 

> pipes and not pick as much up . same as when u drink that water its so
full 

 

> of stuff it don't pick up and clean you aND instead of cleaning and taking


 

> out waste it leaves you something , fluoride, clorain, lead etc.  IMHO
give 

 

> me clean water anyday.  to each his own.  i don't like to take a bath in 

 

> city water let alone drink it.

 

> 

 

> 

 

>   

 

>> aggressively attracts minerals (it sure sucks them out of pipes and

 

>> such) and is thought to deplete the body of minerals if used

 

>> extensively. Steve Read's post cites some of the evidence.

 

>> 

 

>> There's nothing in nature to suggest that distilled water is good for

 

>> animals to drink. Plants and animals live on non-distilled water (and

 

>> the biodynamics folks consider distilled water to be dead and thus

 

>> harmful to life) so I wouldn't experiment on myself.

 

>> 

 

>> Toby

 

>> http://patternliteracy.com

 

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