permaculture

[Nancy Frank <oppty@mac.com>]

Just one more thing, and then I will go on with my day.  The manure  
produced from llamas is high in nitrogen, and does not have to be  
composted before it is applied to a garden.  It doesn't burn the plants.

Nancy

On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:13 PM, Nancy Frank wrote:

> In response to your push carts and bicycle carts, I thought about
> other animals, like horses.  I know that horses eat far too much to
> make them realistic for most, and are not sustainable in the long
> run.  But llamas are MUCH more efficient with what they eat, can
> carry more per pound of body weight than a horse (a horse weighing
> 1,000 pounds will carry about 210 pounds, llamas weighing 300 pounds
> will carry about 50-75 pounds).  They also keep brush down, as
> browsers rather than only grass grazers, provide delightful wool for
> spinning, knitting and weaving warm winter outerwear and sweaters,
> and are friendly as companions.  Just a thought.
>
> I am learning a great deal from this list, and appreciate the
> information.
>
> Nancy in Wisconsin
>
> On Sep 23, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Robert Waldrop wrote:
>
> > One final note. . . we had a potluck meal at
> > lunch, and I always think that potlucks are great
> > ideas for one day events.  That way one person
> > isn't consumed with cooking/preparing for the
> > group, all can participate, and all take
> > responsibility for the food.  Table fellowship is
> > important.
> >
> > Melbourne is a great city, I was there a while in
> > 1972, staying with a Greek family in Clifton Hill.
> > We heated our room with charcoal briquets that we
> > bought from a guy who came by once a week with a
> > push cart loaded with big sacks of briquets.  I'm
> > sure things have changed a lot since then.
> > Pushcarts will be useful though.  we didn't spend
> > a lot of time on it, but we did talk briefly about
> > using handcarts to move grain.  That would require
> > more carts, because the turn-around time is
> > longer, and we figured there would be enough
> > bicycles in the area to do the more-efficient
> > bicycle cart, especially the rail-bike version
> > which, lacking fuel for trains, would be the most
> > efficient.
> >
> > Being close to the ocean will be helpful for
> > Melbourne, although that depends on what has
> > happened with the fishing close to shore.  Also,
> > IIRC, quite a bit of wheat is grown in Victoria,
> > although I don't know how the drought is impacting
> > that.  I don't know what we would do in Oklahoma
> > without those large silos of grain and soybeans
> > that ring the city and which even just before
> > harvest will typically have enough product in them
> > to feed the state the basic ration we devised.
> >
> > Bob Waldrop
> > www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rafael Schouten" <talktoraf@hotmail.com>
> > To: <permaculture@lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 10:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: [permaculture] Pre-design for
> > collapse
> >
> >
> > > Hi Robert,
> > >
> > > the collapse workshop is a great idea, inspired
> > > me to organise one in
> > > melbourne in the next few weeks. Any ideas for
> > > form, content etc? what worked?
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Rafael Schouten
> >
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